Ranma Fanfiction Cliches (draft)
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Cliche: anything that lacks in freshness or effectiveness because of
excessive repetition.
Fanfiction cliche: anything that lacks freshness and was not a
continuous part of the original series, particularly if it goes against
canon.
Of course some things you can't avoid in stories that have been beaten
into the ground (Ranma giving Ukyou THE talk about Akane), there are
many points that can usually be avoided but get used excessively despite
that. Not to mention most of the points listed have no canon evidence to
support them, or even have been shown to not be possible. There are some
points that are not disproven by canon and can be legitimately be used
in any fanfict; however, they've been used repeatedly and it would take
a talented author to breathe new life into many of the points listed
below.
Take for example Nabiki using a gun. It is a stretch for her
characterization, but in the proper situation she would likely use one.
If this happens in a couple dozen ficts, it might be considered cliched.
Now have Nabiki always carrying a gun or Ranma using one, both stretch
believability to the point of breaking. A half dozen ficts using either
of these points would make it cliched as not only has it been repeated,
it has violated characterization and Japanese society.
I have compiled this list to help new authors to avoid cliches that have
been overly used and in many cases incorrect in regards to canon. This
is not to attack any author or to dishearten any who want to attempt
writing. Every author has made mistakes with their work, and I am no
exception. If you think you can do something new with something on this
list, go ahead- it might end up being one of the best fan ficts ever
written.
Remember, you are the most important reader to your own work, since you
will most likely be your harshest critic. If you like what you've
written, it doesn't matter what others think.
1- Manga female Ranma has red hair.
2- Ms. Tendo's name is Kimiko.
Note: Points 1 and 2 seem to have gone beyond being cliche. They are
practically canon in and of themselves do to the number of times
repeated. They are not correct per original series, but have become
accepted. Having manga Ranma's hair being black or giving Mrs. Tendo a
different name is entirely acceptable as is following these two points.
3- Ranma always wins.
4- Ryoga can end up ANYwhere while lost (England, Zimbabwe, El-Hazard,
etc....)
5- Mousse can defeat Shampoo to marry her.
6- Genma engaging Ranma for food on a regular basis.
7- Opening with a standard scene (Genma sparring with Ranma, Ranma and
Akane argument, Ranma flying via Akane-air) which has nothing to do with
the story.
8- Shampoo or Cologne regularly lace Ranma's food with various potions.
9- Akane's cooking can: create life, be considered a biohazard, be used
as an industrial cleaner, etc....
10- Shampoo is an airhead.
11- Akane bludgeoning Ranma for just calling her uncute, sexless, idiot,
or jerk once.
12- All curse forms don't age.
13- Two splashes of the same Jusenkyo curse waters will lock the victim
in curse form.
14- Cologne forces Shampoo to chase after Ranma.
15- Mousse can become Shampoo's husband by defeating Ranma.
16- A Jusenkyo curse victim hit with waters of Jusenkyo cursed pool of
drowned twins will (permanently) separate into original and cursed
forms.
17- Cologne is evil.
18- Ukyou has no flaws and is completely selfless.
19- Ranma and Akane can't talk for five minutes without getting into an
argument.
20- Akane violently attacks anyone for the slightest wrong.
21- Akane uses her mallet on a regular basis.
22- Nabiki handles the finances of the Tendo home.
23- Gosunkugi regularly attempts to practice magic.
24- Kasumi is able to manipulate people to do what she wants.
25- Kasumi loves Dr. Tofu.
26- Curses are inheritable.
27- Akane is the only one to use mallets.
28- Shampoo secretly loves Mousse.
29- Nabiki declaring instantaneous love for Kuno, and mean it.
30- Mousse can defeat anyone immediately after he gets perfect vision.
31- Nodoka doesn't even know about the seppuku agreement.
32- Akane going to college to study theater.
33- Ranma vulgarly or constantly insulting Akane's cooking.
34- Akane is a lesbian.
35- Nodoka has no intent on going through with the seppuku agreement.
36- Akane loves Ryoga enough to marry him.
37- Ranma telling someone his troubles that he doesn't know or trust.
38- Ranma, Akane, Shampoo, Mousse, or Ukyou easily falling in love with
someone other than their current love.
39- Nabiki giving up her mercenary ways for love.
40- Ranma is honorable by _Japanese_ standards.
41- Nodoka knows how to use her katana.
42- Ranma can easily defeat Ryoga or Taro by himself.
43- Post- Shi shi hokodan Ryoga attacking Ranma at first sight for
little or no reason.
44- Nabiki is the sole source of income for the Tendo household.
45- Shampoo helping anyone but Ranma for no reason.
46- Tsubasa constantly stalks Ukyou.
47- Ranma talks openly to Ukyou.
48- Ranma suddenly deciding to marry Ukyou.
49- Mousse has everything, and I mean _everything_, hidden in his robes
(Jimmy Hoffa's drivers' license, Happosai's panty collection, kitchen
sink, Holy Grail, and everything else you can imagine)
50- Akane getting upset at Ranma for the slightest insult to P-Chan.
51- Ranma always attacking P-Chan for being with Akane.
52- Konatsu's clan name is Kenzan.
53- Soun is a human waterfall.
54- Nabiki has connections to the mob or Yakuza.
55- Nabiki is some kind of manipulative, corporate tycoon-type.
56- Kasumi says nothing but "Oh, my."
57- Akane plotting to punish Ryoga for being P-Chan in a cruel
non-violent fashion.
58- Ryoga is in love with Ukyou and vice versa.
59- Nabiki will marry Kuno for his money.
60- Cologne knows just about everything.
61- Nodoka and Genma having a daughter and naming her Ranko.
62- Kodachi is pathologically insane.
63- Characters using Japanese phrases but speaking English most of the
time.
64- Characters having rare insightful moments without a reason (Ukyou
realizing that Ranma and Akane love each other while working in her
restaurant).
63- Ranma speaking perfect English or Japanese.
64- Ranma and Akane use the "L" word once, and everything goes peachy
from there. (No more bickering, extra fiancees dropping off without a
word, no more wandering martial artists, etc....)
65- Ranma is supernaturally fast but has no strength, while Rouge has
inhuman strength but no speed.
66- Tsubasa or Konatsu are gay/semi-gay/going gay.
67- Anyone can take most of the Ranma cast by surprise.
68- Cursed forms affect the human form.
69- Techniques make someone automatically better.
70- Rouge, Mousse and Shampoo are sitting ducks in their cursed forms.
71- Taro or Rouge despise their curses.
72- Genma will do anything for food.
73- Happosai was handsome in his youth.
74- Cologne was ugly in her youth.
75- Genma is a useless, lazy old fart who has no valid combat potential
in Nerima.
76- Ranma or Ryoga using higher level martial arts techniques (Shi Shi
Hokodan, Hiryu Shuten Ha) often and in every fight either of them get
into.
77- Mousse is dumb.
78- Shampoo is not a virgin.
79- Nabiki will help her family out for no reason other than it needs
doing.
80- Ukyou can get over Ranma sufficiently and quickly enough to be his
best man or Akane's maid of honor at his wedding.
81- Kodachi is one of Ranma's fiancees.
82- Ukyou has been waiting for Ranma to have sex with her since she was
six.
83- The Neko-Ken is actually useful as a battle technique.
84- Kuno cannot adapt to any situation.
85- Kuno never accepts defeat, claiming 'sorcery.'
86- Furinkan never holds classes on Saturday and has no school from June
to August.
87- Furinkan has four grade levels.
88- Kasumi is a slut.
89- Nabiki is a lesbian or bi-sexual.
90- Ranma is really a genius, he just has no social skills.
91- Ranma is as dumb as a brick.
92- Ranma can turn down a challenge.
93- Kasumi is a serial murderer. "It's always the nice ones."
94- Happosai is not evil.
95- Ranma can duplicate or at least easily understands any attack he has
ever seen.
96- Kuno is perceived by the students of Furinkan as the local idiot.
97- Ranma calling Akane, Akane-chan, for any reason.
98- The dimensional mallet is a physical manifestation of chi.
99- Post- Herb saga Mousse attacking Ranma for no reason.
100- Anime characterization is the same as manga characterization.
101- Ranma and Akane regularly visit Dr. Tofu to solve any of their
problems, particularly occult ones (especially manga based).
102- Nabiki repents for her mercenary ways by doing Christian type good
deeds to calm her soul.
103- Ranma easily submitting to being a girl while having sex with his
lover.
104- Ukyou consciously understands that Akane is Ranma's first choice to
marry.
Note in concerns to certain cliches:
#25 Kasumi loves Dr. Tofu: While Kasumi does show interest in Dr. Tofu,
according to Takahashi-sensei, she doesn't love him.
#63 doesn't apply to Japanese words that have no English equivalent.
#86 and 87, Furinkan is like any other Japanese school which has half
days of classes on the first and third Saturdays of the month. The
school year is starts in April and ends in March.
Thanks to Talen, Douglas E. Kulp, Rakhal, Vincent Seifert, Arnold Kim,
and Eshin for contributing to the list.
--
-Lord Archive http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Fuji/9061/anime.html
Sanity is highly overrated.
Mom said there would be days like this,
but not this freaking many of them.
Puma Twins
joining into alot of Ranma arguments. ^^;;
I must be weak willed. :)
>
>Ranma Fanfiction Cliches:
>
>1- Manga female Ranma has red hair.
Heh, she does on some of the covers. Also she's had purple hair and green hair
that I can remember. :)
>2- Ms. Tendo's name is Kimiko.
I haven't seen this one myself, but I don't run the fanfiction circles much.
When did this one start coming up?
>Note: Points 1 and 2 seem to have gone beyond being cliche. They are
>practically canon in and of themselves do to the number of times
>repeated. They are not correct per original series, but have become
>accepted. Having manga Ranma's hair being black or giving Mrs. Tendo a
>different name is entirely acceptable as is following these two points.
>
>3- Ranma always wins.
But he's the hero. :)
>5- Mousse can defeat Shampoo to marry her.
What if he became an outsider?
>17- Cologne is evil.
But of course. She plans on taking over the world by collecting the largest
number of freaks and weirdo's possible and having them overthrow ever major
government. Didn't you know that? :)
>18- Ukyou has no flaws and is completely selfless.
What less to expect from a Spatula carring woman who crossdresses and seeks
revenge for a past misgiving. They are all selfless and have no flaws. :)
>26- Curses are inheritable.
Well, there was that one anime episode with Ryouga and Akane...
>27- Akane is the only one to use mallets.
How about the belief that only female characters can use mallets. What do Soun
and Ataru use then?
>34- Akane is a lesbian.
>35- Nodoka has no intent on going through with the seppuku agreement.
Of course not, he's such a manly man for turning a lesbian to "the right path"™
:)
>36- Akane loves Ryoga enough to marry him.
Again, there is the anime episode so not totally fanfic cliche.
>37- Ranma telling someone his troubles that he doesn't know or trust.
Ranma talking about his feeling period :P
>45- Shampoo helping anyone but Ranma for no reason.
Cologne?
>49- Mousse has everything, and I mean _everything_, hidden in his robes
>(Jimmy Hoffa's drivers' license, Happosai's panty collection, kitchen
>sink, Holy Grail, and everything else you can imagine)
He doesn't? The heck you say! :)
>52- Konatsu's clan name is Kenzan.
Better than him being part of the Kasumi's or even worse, the Hiryu. :P
>53- Soun is a human waterfall.
Except when he wearing samurai armour?
I think that was more anime Soun as well.
>56- Kasumi says nothing but "Oh, my."
Or "ara" as the case may be. At least it's not as bad as Kenshin with "Oro" or
Chichiri with "no da"
>58- Ryoga is in love with Ukyou and vice versa.
Hey, if you go by the Tunnel of Lost Love story, then they are suppose to hate
each other now. :P
>60- Cologne knows just about everything.
And what she doesn't know, Tofu or Nabiki knows. :)
>63- Characters using Japanese phrases but speaking English most of the
>time.
Boku have no idea what Kimi are talking about Archive-san.
>65- Ranma is supernaturally fast but has no strength, while Rouge has
>inhuman strength but no speed.
Rouge or Ryouga? ;)
>66- Tsubasa or Konatsu are gay/semi-gay/going gay.
That's why they both claim to hate guys, they are trying to stay in the closet.
:)
>69- Techniques make someone automatically better.
That seems to be someone elses thinking as well...
>70- Rouge, Mousse and Shampoo are sitting ducks in their cursed forms.
Rouge? She could fry more people in her cursed form than she could ever harm
normally... Oh, you meant Ryouga! Silly me. ^_^
>72- Genma will do anything for food.
...and "Two" pickles! :)
>73- Happosai was handsome in his youth.
Did you read the Happosai/Lukkosai manga story, that was the funniest looking
thing I've every seen. :)
>74- Cologne was ugly in her youth.
People say that?
>77- Mousse is dumb.
In what sense? :)
>79- Nabiki will help her family out for no reason other than it needs
>doing.
There was the one time during the Ranma/Akane date...
>86- Furinkan never holds classes on Saturday and has no school from June
>to August.
>87- Furinkan has four grade levels.
Some people don't know the Japanese schooling system. You can't expect every
person who writes Ranma fiction to know about it. :P
>92- Ranma can turn down a challenge.
Heh. :)
>93- Kasumi is a serial murderer. "It's always the nice ones."
I like that one...
>95- Ranma can duplicate or at least easily understands any attack he has
>ever seen.
Sounds like Ryan from Gold Digger. :P
>100- Anime characterization is the same as manga characterization.
But of course. :)
-Matt
General Anime Fan
Douglas MacDougall
puma...@aol.communist (Puma Twins) wrote:
> >26- Curses are inheritable.
> Well, there was that one anime episode with Ryouga and Akane...
You mean the one that didn't really happen? The dream episode? :j
> >36- Akane loves Ryoga enough to marry him.
> Again, there is the anime episode so not totally fanfic cliche.
Is this the same dream episode, again?
> >79- Nabiki will help her family out for no reason other than it needs
> >doing.
> There was the one time during the Ranma/Akane date...
I don't recall a Ranma/Akane date. Is this from the anime?
People seem to forget about the Kinnosuke storyline, where Nabiki
sends all the bills to the Tendo dojo.
Doug
----
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Rob Kelk
>
> Ranma Fanfiction Cliches:
<snip>
> 28- Shampoo secretly loves Mousse.
There's some sign of this for the anime version of the characters - the
Reversal Jewel story. (Wasn't that in the manga, too?)
<snip>
> 37- Ranma telling someone his troubles that he doesn't know or trust.
37.5 - Ranma telling someone his troubles.
<snip>
> 44- Nabiki is the sole source of income for the Tendo household.
Well, where else does the money come from? Kasumi and Soun are almost
always at home, and Akane's still in school... Suggestions, anyone?
<snip>
> 51- Ranma always attacking P-Chan for being with Akane.
If it's an "early Ranma" story, this one's justified, IMHO...
<snip>
> 60- Cologne knows just about everything.
The anime version sure seems this way...
<snip>
> 81- Kodachi is one of Ranma's fiancees.
Well, she seems to think she is...
<snip>
--
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"I'm _not_ a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
Donny Cheng
Lord Archive wrote:
>
> 11- Akane bludgeoning Ranma for just calling her uncute, sexless, idiot,
> or jerk once.
> 33- Ranma vulgarly or constantly insulting Akane's cooking.
> 50- Akane getting upset at Ranma for the slightest insult to P-Chan.
> 51- Ranma always attacking P-Chan for being with Akane.
> 85- Kuno never accepts defeat, claiming 'sorcery.'
True, they are overused, but I have no problem with them if they serve
the purpose of comparing change between then and some point later on in
the author's story. It is a problem when they are thrown in for no
apparent purpose other than to convince the reader that this is _really_
Ranma or some other character. Using cliched actions to drown out OOC
behavior.
Some cliches that were not mentioned:
105) Perfect Ranma. The super Ranma that is so, due to falling into a
better spring, having a better diet or education when growing up,
magically enhanced, aged a few years past sixteen, genetically altered,
was born to some powerful parents, etc.
This only becomes a problem if there isn't some equivalent or stronger
force in the story and we only get to see Ranma cutting a path through
everone in terms of skill.
106) Ranma the super trainer.
107) Followup to 106 usually, Akane the super fighter due to some
training with someone of great ability like Ranma, Ryoga, or Cologne.
108) Followup to 107 usually, Shampoo will be crushed and not train to
go after Akane or some other opponent if she is beaten very badly.
109) Ranma and Akane reject everyone due to failed wedding.
110) Akane the hostage.
All I can think of off the top of my head at the moment.
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Eshin
happi and lucky in their youth, and they do seem to be quite handsome lads,
even though the ranma movie 1 seems to deny this.
94- Happosai is not evil- he's not. crazy yes, demented yes. But not evil.
There are no really evil characters in Ranma 1/2 as far as I can tell.
Eshin
Puma Twins
>> Well, there was that one anime episode with Ryouga and Akane...
>
>You mean the one that didn't really happen? The dream episode? :j
Yup. :)
Actually I think it was a Nan-ban mirror alternate universe, but it's been so
long since I've seen it. :P
>> >36- Akane loves Ryoga enough to marry him.
>> Again, there is the anime episode so not totally fanfic cliche.
>
>Is this the same dream episode, again?
Yup :)
>> >79- Nabiki will help her family out for no reason other than it needs
>> >doing.
>> There was the one time during the Ranma/Akane date...
>
>I don't recall a Ranma/Akane date. Is this from the anime?
No manga. Nabiki gets Ranma as a fiancee and in order to get them back
together she sets up a date between the two (of course this was for her own
benifit)
What was not to her benifit was that she went to warn Akane because Ranma was
planning revenge against Nabiki for tricking him into thinking she loved him.
It's kinda complex and if I try to explain it more than that, I'll start an
argument, so I'll leave it there. :)
>People seem to forget about the Kinnosuke storyline, where Nabiki
>sends all the bills to the Tendo dojo.
Nope. Not really.
-Matt
General Anime Fan
Puma Twins
wrote:
>73-Happosai was handsome in his youth- the lukkosai story shows pictures of
>happi and lucky in their youth, and they do seem to be quite handsome lads,
>even though the ranma movie 1 seems to deny this.
Correction, it showed how THEY thought they looked in their youths. :)
I think the original young Lucky was closer to the truth. ^_^
>94- Happosai is not evil- he's not. crazy yes, demented yes. But not evil.
>There are no really evil characters in Ranma 1/2 as far as I can tell.
>
>Eshin
-Matt
Puma Twins
wrote:
>
>110) Akane the hostage.
Well, if you add together all of the times that she was kidnapped in
the anime and manga...
Short list
Tarou
Kiima
Mousse
Toma
Kirin
That's quite a line up. :)
Matt
Blade
>Ranma Fanfiction Cliches:
>
>Cliche: anything that lacks in freshness or effectiveness because of
>excessive repetition.
>
>Fanfiction cliche: anything that lacks freshness and was not a
>continuous part of the original series, particularly if it goes against
>canon.
>
>Of course some things you can't avoid in stories that have been beaten
>into the ground (Ranma giving Ukyou THE talk about Akane), there are
>many points that can usually be avoided but get used excessively despite
Not to mention despite having no justification in the manga.
>that. Not to mention most of the points listed have no canon evidence to
>support them, or even have been shown to not be possible. There are some
Yep.
>points that are not disproven by canon and can be legitimately be used
>in any fanfict; however, they've been used repeatedly and it would take
>a talented author to breathe new life into many of the points listed
>below.
>
>Take for example Nabiki using a gun. It is a stretch for her
>characterization, but in the proper situation she would likely use one.
>If this happens in a couple dozen ficts, it might be considered cliched.
>Now have Nabiki always carrying a gun or Ranma using one, both stretch
>believability to the point of breaking. A half dozen ficts using either
>of these points would make it cliched as not only has it been repeated,
>it has violated characterization and Japanese society.
Bad Krista-san! No more spawning hordes of imitators for you! ;p
>I have compiled this list to help new authors to avoid cliches that have
>been overly used and in many cases incorrect in regards to canon. This
>is not to attack any author or to dishearten any who want to attempt
>writing. Every author has made mistakes with their work, and I am no
>exception. If you think you can do something new with something on this
>list, go ahead- it might end up being one of the best fan ficts ever
>written.
>
>Remember, you are the most important reader to your own work, since you
>will most likely be your harshest critic. If you like what you've
>written, it doesn't matter what others think.
>
>1- Manga female Ranma has red hair.
<shrug> You can make an argument that even Takahashi accepted this one, given
the amount of colour pix that have the red hair...including some of the late
manga in-issue ones.
>2- Ms. Tendo's name is Kimiko.
I honestly have never seen this one. Is it really that common?
>Note: Points 1 and 2 seem to have gone beyond being cliche. They are
>practically canon in and of themselves do to the number of times
>repeated. They are not correct per original series, but have become
>accepted. Having manga Ranma's hair being black or giving Mrs. Tendo a
>different name is entirely acceptable as is following these two points.
>
>3- Ranma always wins.
>4- Ryoga can end up ANYwhere while lost (England, Zimbabwe, El-Hazard,
>etc....)
>5- Mousse can defeat Shampoo to marry her.
>6- Genma engaging Ranma for food on a regular basis.
Mmm...not a regular basis, no, but he has done it more than once in both
continuities, so it is not necessarily wrong to have him do it again.
>7- Opening with a standard scene (Genma sparring with Ranma, Ranma and
>Akane argument, Ranma flying via Akane-air) which has nothing to do with
>the story.
A few-a VERY few-stories -have- opened this way, but only to lead into something
else, so at least make it relevent.
>8- Shampoo or Cologne regularly lace Ranma's food with various potions.
Well, Shampoo DOES when she has a chance. The "chance" part is the clincher,
tho. Shampoo does not -normally- have access to such things.
>9- Akane's cooking can: create life, be considered a biohazard, be used
>as an industrial cleaner, etc....
>10- Shampoo is an airhead.
Umm...characterisation issue. How do you define "airhead"?
>11- Akane bludgeoning Ranma for just calling her uncute, sexless, idiot,
>or jerk once.
>12- All curse forms don't age.
>13- Two splashes of the same Jusenkyo curse waters will lock the victim
>in curse form.
Both proved untrue in the manga, so they should NEVER appear.
>14- Cologne forces Shampoo to chase after Ranma.
>15- Mousse can become Shampoo's husband by defeating Ranma.
>16- A Jusenkyo curse victim hit with waters of Jusenkyo cursed pool of
>drowned twins will (permanently) separate into original and cursed
>forms.
While this is exceedingly unlikely, there's no actual canon proof against it.
>17- Cologne is evil.
Much as I tend to agree, this is a debated characterisation issue, and some
people may disagree.
>18- Ukyou has no flaws and is completely selfless.
And, complimentary, "Ukyou is Shampoo with better grammar."
>19- Ranma and Akane can't talk for five minutes without getting into an
>argument.
>20- Akane violently attacks anyone for the slightest wrong.
>21- Akane uses her mallet on a regular basis.
Incorrect. She DOES use a mallet frequently in the manga.
Of course, it is incorrect to have ONLY Akane use it, or inply the mallet is
somehow special.
>22- Nabiki handles the finances of the Tendo home.
>23- Gosunkugi regularly attempts to practice magic.
>24- Kasumi is able to manipulate people to do what she wants.
>25- Kasumi loves Dr. Tofu.
Some people may debate that one.
>26- Curses are inheritable.
Not curses, but TRAITS are definitely inherited. Which makes one wonder what
Ranma's kids will be like...or Taro's, for that matter. ;p
>27- Akane is the only one to use mallets.
Should probably put this one by the above.
>28- Shampoo secretly loves Mousse.
>29- Nabiki declaring instantaneous love for Kuno, and mean it.
>30- Mousse can defeat anyone immediately after he gets perfect vision.
(since I started this, I'd better defend it, ne?) One could make a good argument
that Mousse would be considerably more dangerous with perfect vision. Not
"defeat anyone", no, but having him be a close match for Ranma is not a large
stretch.
>31- Nodoka doesn't even know about the seppuku agreement.
Uhh...who did this? Nodoka EXPLAINED it! ^^;;;;
>32- Akane going to college to study theater.
Akane showing any particular interest in acting whatsoever, in fact.
>33- Ranma vulgarly or constantly insulting Akane's cooking.
"Vulgarly"? And he DOES insult it whenever she is cooking.
>34- Akane is a lesbian.
9_9
>35- Nodoka has no intent on going through with the seppuku agreement.
>36- Akane loves Ryoga enough to marry him.
>37- Ranma telling someone his troubles that he doesn't know or trust.
Which would be "anybody except Akane".
>38- Ranma, Akane, Shampoo, Mousse, or Ukyou easily falling in love with
>someone other than their current love.
>39- Nabiki giving up her mercenary ways for love.
>40- Ranma is honorable by _Japanese_ standards.
>41- Nodoka knows how to use her katana.
Actually, you can argue she's learned between her first appearence and the "Bust
Battle" story in Volume 34. there she does several things requiring a fair
degree of skill.
She'd be nowhere near a real Ranma martial artist, tho.
>42- Ranma can easily defeat Ryoga or Taro by himself.
>43- Post- Shi shi hokodan Ryoga attacking Ranma at first sight for
>little or no reason.
Ryouga EVER attacking Ranma for no reason, without a formal challenge.
>44- Nabiki is the sole source of income for the Tendo household.
>45- Shampoo helping anyone but Ranma for no reason.
>46- Tsubasa constantly stalks Ukyou.
>47- Ranma talks openly to Ukyou.
>48- Ranma suddenly deciding to marry Ukyou.
>49- Mousse has everything, and I mean _everything_, hidden in his robes
>(Jimmy Hoffa's drivers' license, Happosai's panty collection, kitchen
>sink, Holy Grail, and everything else you can imagine)
True, but this is only a slight exaggeration, given that he has pulled some
seriously weird shit out of there in the manga.
>50- Akane getting upset at Ranma for the slightest insult to P-Chan.
>51- Ranma always attacking P-Chan for being with Akane.
>52- Konatsu's clan name is Kenzan.
>53- Soun is a human waterfall.
>54- Nabiki has connections to the mob or Yakuza.
>55- Nabiki is some kind of manipulative, corporate tycoon-type.
>56- Kasumi says nothing but "Oh, my."
>57- Akane plotting to punish Ryoga for being P-Chan in a cruel
>non-violent fashion.
>58- Ryoga is in love with Ukyou and vice versa.
Much as I hate to admit it, this is true in the anime.
>59- Nabiki will marry Kuno for his money.
Same here.
>60- Cologne knows just about everything.
However, she IS the most likely person for Ranma&Co. to go to if they have
questions about lore and stuff.
>61- Nodoka and Genma having a daughter and naming her Ranko.
>62- Kodachi is pathologically insane.
Mmm...it depends on how one defines "pathologically", but somebody who refers to
other people as "ants" and then cheerfully paralyses them for for no particular
reason has definite problems.
>63- Characters using Japanese phrases but speaking English most of the
>time.
Some people don't like this, but it's a common practice in professional novels
that have Japanese people. It's not literarily "wrong".
>64- Characters having rare insightful moments without a reason (Ukyou
>realizing that Ranma and Akane love each other while working in her
>restaurant).
>63- Ranma speaking perfect English or Japanese.
>64- Ranma and Akane use the "L" word once, and everything goes peachy
>from there. (No more bickering, extra fiancees dropping off without a
>word, no more wandering martial artists, etc....)
<laugh>
>65- Ranma is supernaturally fast but has no strength, while Rouge has
>inhuman strength but no speed.
Ryouga, I think you mean?
>66- Tsubasa or Konatsu are gay/semi-gay/going gay.
You COULD make an argument for Konatsu. Not Tsubasa, though.
>67- Anyone can take most of the Ranma cast by surprise.
>68- Cursed forms affect the human form.
>69- Techniques make someone automatically better.
>70- Rouge, Mousse and Shampoo are sitting ducks in their cursed forms.
I think you mean Ryouga, again.
>71- Taro or Rouge despise their curses.
>72- Genma will do anything for food.
>73- Happosai was handsome in his youth.
>74- Cologne was ugly in her youth.
>75- Genma is a useless, lazy old fart who has no valid combat potential
>in Nerima.
>76- Ranma or Ryoga using higher level martial arts techniques (Shi Shi
>Hokodan, Hiryu Shuten Ha) often and in every fight either of them get
>into.
While this is wrong, I can see the point. In a visual medium, "normal" fights
can always look spectacular. In a text medium, however, "normal" fights quickly
get very dry, and dialogue such as shouting out special moves livens up the pace
and allows for more interesting descriptions.
>77- Mousse is dumb.
>78- Shampoo is not a virgin.
>79- Nabiki will help her family out for no reason other than it needs
>doing.
>80- Ukyou can get over Ranma sufficiently and quickly enough to be his
>best man or Akane's maid of honor at his wedding.
>81- Kodachi is one of Ranma's fiancees.
Or Shampoo, for that matter. NOBODY ever refers to her as a fiancee, including
her and Cologne. Nor do they refer to her as being already married to Ranma,
IIRC.
>82- Ukyou has been waiting for Ranma to have sex with her since she was
>six.
...
Huh?
>83- The Neko-Ken is actually useful as a battle technique.
>84- Kuno cannot adapt to any situation.
>85- Kuno never accepts defeat, claiming 'sorcery.'
>86- Furinkan never holds classes on Saturday and has no school from June
>to August.
>87- Furinkan has four grade levels.
>88- Kasumi is a slut.
>89- Nabiki is a lesbian or bi-sexual.
>90- Ranma is really a genius, he just has no social skills.
>91- Ranma is as dumb as a brick.
>92- Ranma can turn down a challenge.
>93- Kasumi is a serial murderer. "It's always the nice ones."
>94- Happosai is not evil.
Happousai isn't a good guy, but he HAS shown some moments of caring in the
manga.
>95- Ranma can duplicate or at least easily understands any attack he has
>ever seen.
Contradicted in the manga, yes.
>96- Kuno is perceived by the students of Furinkan as the local idiot.
>97- Ranma calling Akane, Akane-chan, for any reason.
>98- The dimensional mallet is a physical manifestation of chi.
>99- Post- Herb saga Mousse attacking Ranma for no reason.
Or trying to kill Ranma, period.
>100- Anime characterization is the same as manga characterization.
>101- Ranma and Akane regularly visit Dr. Tofu to solve any of their
>problems, particularly occult ones (especially manga based).
Not regularly, but they were shown to go to him on occasion. Cologne pretty
much took over that role, tho.
>102- Nabiki repents for her mercenary ways by doing Christian type good
>deeds to calm her soul.
<guffaw>
>103- Ranma easily submitting to being a girl while having sex with his
>lover.
>104- Ukyou consciously understands that Akane is Ranma's first choice to
>marry.
>
>Note in concerns to certain cliches:
>#25 Kasumi loves Dr. Tofu: While Kasumi does show interest in Dr. Tofu,
>according to Takahashi-sensei, she doesn't love him.
Did Takahashi specifically say this?
>#63 doesn't apply to Japanese words that have no English equivalent.
>#86 and 87, Furinkan is like any other Japanese school which has half
>days of classes on the first and third Saturdays of the month. The
>school year is starts in April and ends in March.
>
>Thanks to Talen, Douglas E. Kulp, Rakhal, Vincent Seifert, Arnold Kim,
>and Eshin for contributing to the list.
That would explain how Tarou got in there. ;p
Blade
Blade
says...
>
>On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:20:32 GMT, Donny Cheng <che...@home.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>110) Akane the hostage.
>
>Well, if you add together all of the times that she was kidnapped in
>the anime and manga...
>
>Short list
>Tarou
>Kiima
>Mousse
>Toma
>Kirin
You forgot Principal Kunou.
However, four times in a 38-volume manga (and she freed HERSELF every single
time, was never saved by Ranma) goes much against the cliche.
Blade
Blade
>
>Reversal Jewel story. (Wasn't that in the manga, too?)
No sign. We aren't told how the reversal jewel works; it could just as easily
have AMPLIFIED negative feelings already extant, or not done anything with them
at all.
And given that Shampoo doesn't care if Mousse dies (Volume 33), one can safely
say she has no secret love for him.
Of course, in the anime, she does love him.
>> 44- Nabiki is the sole source of income for the Tendo household.
>
>Well, where else does the money come from? Kasumi and Soun are almost
>always at home, and Akane's still in school... Suggestions, anyone?
Family wealth, obviously. Look at the SIZE of that house.
><snip>
>> 51- Ranma always attacking P-Chan for being with Akane.
>If it's an "early Ranma" story, this one's justified, IMHO...
-Very- early.
>> 81- Kodachi is one of Ranma's fiancees.
>Well, she seems to think she is...
She's never been called or called herself one.
Blade
Blade
>
>73-Happosai was handsome in his youth- the lukkosai story shows pictures of
>happi and lucky in their youth, and they do seem to be quite handsome lads,
>even though the ranma movie 1 seems to deny this.
That's their imaginations. Note how they remember each other, and how Cologne
remembers Happousai.
>94- Happosai is not evil- he's not. crazy yes, demented yes. But not evil.
>There are no really evil characters in Ranma 1/2 as far as I can tell.
Herb and Saffron casually murder people who annoy them. Nabiki was perfectly
willing to leave her sister in a coma for a few yen, not to mention marry her
father off to Ms. Hinako. Shampoo...has been discussed to death. Ryuu Kumon,
Sentarou, Pantyhose Tarou and several others also are predominantly morally
reprehensible.
Unless one has a very strict definition of evil, there are more than a few
characters in the series that qualify.
Blade
David Johnston
>
> In article <388BF248...@mich.com>, Lord says...
> >Ranma Fanfiction Cliches:
> >
> >Cliche: anything that lacks in freshness or effectiveness because of
> >excessive repetition.
> >
> >Fanfiction cliche: anything that lacks freshness and was not a
> >continuous part of the original series, particularly if it goes against
> >canon.
> >
> >Of course some things you can't avoid in stories that have been beaten
> >into the ground (Ranma giving Ukyou THE talk about Akane), there are
> >many points that can usually be avoided but get used excessively despite
>
> Not to mention despite having no justification in the manga.
>
You know, people are allowed to write anime fanfiction.
David Johnston
>
> 73-Happosai was handsome in his youth- the lukkosai story shows pictures of
> happi and lucky in their youth, and they do seem to be quite handsome lads,
> even though the ranma movie 1 seems to deny this.
So does the manga story where Happosai and Cologne give their
contrasting views of what happened when he visited the Amazon village.
Personally, I'd trust a flashback according to Cologne over a flashback
according to Happosai or Lukkosai.
David Johnston
The above two points.
>
> 3- Ranma always wins.
> 4- Ryoga can end up ANYwhere while lost (England, Zimbabwe, El-Hazard,
> etc....)
> 5- Mousse can defeat Shampoo to marry her.
> 6- Genma engaging Ranma for food on a regular basis.
> 7- Opening with a standard scene (Genma sparring with Ranma, Ranma and
> Akane argument, Ranma flying via Akane-air) which has nothing to do with
> the story.
> 8- Shampoo or Cologne regularly lace Ranma's food with various potions.
> 9- Akane's cooking can: create life, be considered a biohazard, be used
> as an industrial cleaner, etc....
> 10- Shampoo is an airhead.
That's a legitimate character interpretation, depending on what parts of
the canon you've read. It isn't particularly a cliche because there is a
good mix of Shampoo depictions out there.
> 11- Akane bludgeoning Ranma for just calling her uncute, sexless, idiot,
> or jerk once.
> 12- All curse forms don't age.
> 13- Two splashes of the same Jusenkyo curse waters will lock the victim
> in curse form.
> 14- Cologne forces Shampoo to chase after Ranma.
> 15- Mousse can become Shampoo's husband by defeating Ranma.
> 16- A Jusenkyo curse victim hit with waters of Jusenkyo cursed pool of
> drowned twins will (permanently) separate into original and cursed
> forms.
> 17- Cologne is evil.
Tofu is evil.
> 18- Ukyou has no flaws and is completely selfless.
> 19- Ranma and Akane can't talk for five minutes without getting into an
> argument.
> 20- Akane violently attacks anyone for the slightest wrong.
I'd move that to "11b". It's just an extension of 11's cliche after all.
> 21- Akane uses her mallet on a regular basis.
> 22- Nabiki handles the finances of the Tendo home.
> 23- Gosunkugi regularly attempts to practice magic.
> 24- Kasumi is able to manipulate people to do what she wants.
> 25- Kasumi loves Dr. Tofu.
> 26- Curses are inheritable.
You know, I wouldn't say that idea is common enough in fanfiction
to qualify as a cliche. There's reason to think that it is _wrong_
by canon, but next generation fics simply aren't that common in the
first place, and most of them don't have heritable curses.
> 27- Akane is the only one to use mallets.
> 28- Shampoo secretly loves Mousse.
> 29- Nabiki declaring instantaneous love for Kuno, and mean it.
> 30- Mousse can defeat anyone immediately after he gets perfect vision.
> 31- Nodoka doesn't even know about the seppuku agreement.
Not that common. In fact, I can only recall one example, that one from a
clearly stated alternate universe. I recall many, many cases where Nodoka
thinks it's just fine if Ranma betrays his responsibilities, breaks his word,
and behaves in an unmanly fashion, which is both uncanonical and a cliche,
but not this one.
> 32- Akane going to college to study theater.
> 33- Ranma vulgarly or constantly insulting Akane's cooking.
> 34- Akane is a lesbian.
34b: Everyone is a lesbian.
> 35- Nodoka has no intent on going through with the seppuku agreement.
> 36- Akane loves Ryoga enough to marry him.
> 37- Ranma telling someone his troubles that he doesn't know or trust.
> 38- Ranma, Akane, Shampoo, Mousse, or Ukyou easily falling in love with
> someone other than their current love.
> 39- Nabiki giving up her mercenary ways for love.
> 40- Ranma is honorable by _Japanese_ standards.
> 41- Nodoka knows how to use her katana.
> 42- Ranma can easily defeat Ryoga or Taro by himself.
> 43- Post- Shi shi hokodan Ryoga attacking Ranma at first sight for
> little or no reason.
> 44- Nabiki is the sole source of income for the Tendo household.
"Nabiki manages the house finances" is more or less a subcategory
of this one.
> 45- Shampoo helping anyone but Ranma for no reason.
> 46- Tsubasa constantly stalks Ukyou.
At the time it was a reasonable assumption based on his behaviour
in the first movie.
> 47- Ranma talks openly to Ukyou.
> 48- Ranma suddenly deciding to marry Ukyou.
Not so much a cliche as a cop-out.
> 49- Mousse has everything, and I mean _everything_, hidden in his robes
> (Jimmy Hoffa's drivers' license, Happosai's panty collection, kitchen
> sink, Holy Grail, and everything else you can imagine)
> 50- Akane getting upset at Ranma for the slightest insult to P-Chan.
> 51- Ranma always attacking P-Chan for being with Akane.
> 52- Konatsu's clan name is Kenzan.
<Shrug> Maybe you should make a separate list for misconceptions that
don't matter. Personally, I doubt anyone groans at hearing about the
"Kenzan" clan as much as I do on seeing another mallet scene.
> 53- Soun is a human waterfall.
Which, while having significant justification, is frequently overdone.
> 54- Nabiki has connections to the mob or Yakuza.
> 55- Nabiki is some kind of manipulative, corporate tycoon-type.
> 56- Kasumi says nothing but "Oh, my."
I like to use other translations for "ara", like "gracious", "oh dear"
and "hot damn".
> 57- Akane plotting to punish Ryoga for being P-Chan in a cruel
> non-violent fashion.
> 58- Ryoga is in love with Ukyou and vice versa.
> 59- Nabiki will marry Kuno for his money.
> 60- Cologne knows just about everything.
Doesn't she?
> 61- Nodoka and Genma having a daughter and naming her Ranko.
> 62- Kodachi is pathologically insane.
> 63- Characters using Japanese phrases but speaking English most of the
> time.
> 64- Characters having rare insightful moments without a reason (Ukyou
> realizing that Ranma and Akane love each other while working in her
> restaurant).
> 63- Ranma speaking perfect English or Japanese.
> 64- Ranma and Akane use the "L" word once, and everything goes peachy
> from there. (No more bickering, extra fiancees dropping off without a
> word, no more wandering martial artists, etc....)
> 65- Ranma is supernaturally fast but has no strength, while Rouge has
> inhuman strength but no speed.
"Ryouga"
> 66- Tsubasa or Konatsu are gay/semi-gay/going gay.
> 67- Anyone can take most of the Ranma cast by surprise.
> 68- Cursed forms affect the human form.
> 69- Techniques make someone automatically better.
I could use some clarification on that one.
> 70- Rouge, Mousse and Shampoo are sitting ducks in their cursed forms.
Or pigs, or cats...
> 71- Taro or Rouge despise their curses.
Never heard of Taro disliking his curse.
> 72- Genma will do anything for food.
Here's one that bothers me. The assumption that Genma will totally
abandon his son for any reason.
> 73- Happosai was handsome in his youth.
> 74- Cologne was ugly in her youth.
> 75- Genma is a useless, lazy old fart who has no valid combat potential
> in Nerima.
> 76- Ranma or Ryoga using higher level martial arts techniques (Shi Shi
> Hokodan, Hiryu Shuten Ha) often and in every fight either of them get
> into.
> 77- Mousse is dumb.
Define "dumb".
> 78- Shampoo is not a virgin.
Uh...who claimed that?
> 79- Nabiki will help her family out for no reason other than it needs
> doing.
79b Nabiki will help only for money, (and not for amusement,
or because her father told her to).
> 80- Ukyou can get over Ranma sufficiently and quickly enough to be his
> best man or Akane's maid of honor at his wedding.
> 81- Kodachi is one of Ranma's fiancees.
> 82- Ukyou has been waiting for Ranma to have sex with her since she was
> six.
Huhn?
> 83- The Neko-Ken is actually useful as a battle technique.
> 84- Kuno cannot adapt to any situation.
Needs clarification.
> 85- Kuno never accepts defeat, claiming 'sorcery.'
> 86- Furinkan never holds classes on Saturday and has no school from June
> to August.
Not so much a cliche as a misconception.
> 87- Furinkan has four grade levels.
> 88- Kasumi is a slut.
> 89- Nabiki is a lesbian or bi-sexual.
> 90- Ranma is really a genius, he just has no social skills.
> 91- Ranma is as dumb as a brick.
> 92- Ranma can turn down a challenge.
> 93- Kasumi is a serial murderer. "It's always the nice ones."
Now, now, there was only one story, spamfics aside. Of course, one might
be enough.
> 94- Happosai is not evil.
Define "evil".
> 95- Ranma can duplicate or at least easily understands any attack he has
> ever seen.
> 96- Kuno is perceived by the students of Furinkan as the local idiot.
> 97- Ranma calling Akane, Akane-chan, for any reason.
Ranma using any honorifics. Once again, more of a misconception than a
cliche.
> 98- The dimensional mallet is a physical manifestation of chi.
> 99- Post- Herb saga Mousse attacking Ranma for no reason.
> 100- Anime characterization is the same as manga characterization.
That isn't a cliche.
> 101- Ranma and Akane regularly visit Dr. Tofu to solve any of their
> problems, particularly occult ones (especially manga based).
> 102- Nabiki repents for her mercenary ways by doing Christian type good
> deeds to calm her soul.
Oh come on. Only one story for that. I think you need two before it
qualifies as a cliche.
> 103- Ranma easily submitting to being a girl while having sex with his
> lover.
> 104- Ukyou consciously understands that Akane is Ranma's first choice to
> marry.
>
> Note in concerns to certain cliches:
> #25 Kasumi loves Dr. Tofu: While Kasumi does show interest in Dr. Tofu,
> according to Takahashi-sensei, she doesn't love him.
One thing unclear in ones like this is whether you are saying that these
people are already in love, or come to be in love.
Shadow6865
1- Manga female Ranma has red hair. >>
If one is a true purest than this is a cliche but I think it is perfectly
acceptable to write a manga based Ranma fanfic were onna-Ranma has red hair. It
provides for better descriptions and also gives Ranma's female form more
differances than his male form.
<< 2- Ms. Tendo's name is Kimiko. >>
This cliche is acceptable to me as well. If a person is writing a fanfic and
they need to give Ms. Tendou's first name for some reason than they might as
well use one that has been used in other fanfics. Besides Kimiko is a pretty
name.
Cliche's 6,10,14, 17, 18, 20, 21, 22, 23, 36-38, and others: These are due to
character biases so I am not sure if they can be considered cliches. I guess
enough fanfics use these biases for them to become cliche's though.
Cliche's 3,4,7,8,9,11,19,28, and others: Many of these cliche's come from the
anime which played fast and loose with the manga frequently. I imagine that
fanfic writers who use these cliches watch the anime and do not read the manga.
Amazon Law cliche's: The manga and anime never go into the more minute
details of Amazon customes and law so fans just have to speculate about what
the actual details of Amazon law are.
Jusenkyo curse cliches: Again both the manga and anime are not very detailed
about the exact nature of the springs and the curses. So fans have to create
their own specifics in fanfiction if the need arises. I have read many good and
bad fanfics that use the cliches you mention for this case.
<< 29- Nabiki declaring instantaneous love for Kuno, and mean it. >>
This does happen very frequently in Ranma fanfiction. Probably because the
author feels the need to play matchmaker for every single character.
<< 31- Nodoka doesn't even know about the seppuku agreement >>
I have never seen this cliche. What fanfics use it?
<<
32- Akane going to college to study theater. >>
I can only think of two fanfics off hand that use this cliche, DnR and Change
of Scene and they are actually two of my favorite fics.
<< 33- Ranma vulgarly or constantly insulting Akane's cooking. >>
IIRC, in the Japanese manga Ranma does curse very often but Viz edited this
out for some reason.
<< 34- Akane is a lesbian.>>
It's not true but enough evidence exists for a good fanfic writer to make it
believable. Besides golden rule of anime/manga fanfiction: All girl's are
either lesbians or bisexual.
<<
40- Ranma is honorable by _Japanese_ standards. >>
I know a fair amount about Japanese honor standards and I think Ranma is
fairly honorable by those standards most of the time.
<< 54- Nabiki has connections to the mob or Yakuza.
55- Nabiki is some kind of manipulative, corporate tycoon-type. >>
These two cliches annoy me a great deal. But someone gave a good reason for
there existence once. The person says they make Nabs a buisness tycoon and/or
have underworld connections because they find it funny because her original
Japanese characteristic of shrewdness is not funny by their western standards.
<< 58- Ryoga is in love with Ukyou and vice versa. >>
See my reason for Nabs and Kuno above. This one annoys me to great ends
especially because I am a fan of Akari Unryuu. I no longer read fanfiction that
pairs Ukyou and Ryouga.
<<
62- Kodachi is pathologically insane >>
Even though the manga never says she is insane. Her actions provide evidence
if not prove that she is pathologically insane.
<< 63- Characters using Japanese phrases but speaking English most of the
time. >>
This is an annoying cliche that I avoid while writing fanfiction and my
favorite fanfic authors avoide as well. When writers do this they are basically
showing off "Look at how much Japanese I know. I am cool because I know basic
Japanese." Or they are expressing their personal prefrence for the Japanese
language or aspects of the Japanese language. I know quite a few anime/manga
fans who use some aspects of the Japanese language in their regular lives even
when talking to non-anime fans. I find this people particually annoying.
<<
64- Ranma and Akane use the "L" word once, and everything goes peachy
from there. (No more bickering, extra fiancees dropping off without a
word, no more wandering martial artists, etc....) >>
There are many people who have overly romantic views of Ranma and Akane's
relationship.
<<
89- Nabiki is a lesbian or bi-sexual. >>
See above post about Akane being a lesbian.
<< 93- Kasumi is a serial murderer. "It's always the nice ones." >>
Any fanfic I have read that does this, does it as a joke and was not meant to
be taken seriously. I thought they were pretty funny.
<<
96- Kuno is perceived by the students of Furinkan as the local idiot. >>
But they do see Kuno as the local idiot. In the manga during Principal Kuno's
introduction one of the students says "Kuno might be an idiot but he is our
idiot."
<< 97- Ranma calling Akane, Akane-chan, for any reason. >>
Sometimes in the Japanese language anime, Ranma uses the -kun suffix with
Akane's name.
<< 103- Ranma easily submitting to being a girl while having sex with his
lover. >>
I never seen a fanfic that has Ranma easily submit to this but "Thy Outward
Part" by Lawson-kun does a great job of Ranma learning to deal with being stuck
as a girl and learning to love and eventually enjoy and wanting to have sex
with a man. Only one man but none the less a man.
Blade
>Blade wrote:
>>
>> In article <388BF248...@mich.com>, Lord says...
>> >Ranma Fanfiction Cliches:
>> >
>> >Cliche: anything that lacks in freshness or effectiveness because of
>> >excessive repetition.
>> >
>> >Fanfiction cliche: anything that lacks freshness and was not a
>> >continuous part of the original series, particularly if it goes against
>> >canon.
>> >
>> >Of course some things you can't avoid in stories that have been beaten
>> >into the ground (Ranma giving Ukyou THE talk about Akane), there are
>> >many points that can usually be avoided but get used excessively despite
>>
>> Not to mention despite having no justification in the manga.
>>
Okay, there's no justification for that in the anime either. Happy?
God, and people say -I'm- a nitpicker.
Blade
Perfect Chaos
>
> In article <388C591E...@ottawa.com>, Rob says...
> >
> >Lord Archive <arc...@mich.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ranma Fanfiction Cliches:
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >
> >Reversal Jewel story. (Wasn't that in the manga, too?)
>
> No sign. We aren't told how the reversal jewel works; it could just as easily
> have AMPLIFIED negative feelings already extant, or not done anything with them
> at all.
>
> And given that Shampoo doesn't care if Mousse dies (Volume 33), one can safely
> say she has no secret love for him.
Damn, I'm only upto Book 25 x.x; I still gotta read the end of the Herb
saga....and Konatsu, I wanna see Konatsu. x.x that's a lotta book away.
@@
>
> Of course, in the anime, she does love him.
>
> >> 44- Nabiki is the sole source of income for the Tendo household.
> >
> >Well, where else does the money come from? Kasumi and Soun are almost
> >always at home, and Akane's still in school... Suggestions, anyone?
>
> Family wealth, obviously. Look at the SIZE of that house.
I noticed missing was that Soun/Genma/Both teach classes in the Dojo
o.o;
>
> ><snip>
> >> 51- Ranma always attacking P-Chan for being with Akane.
> >If it's an "early Ranma" story, this one's justified, IMHO...
>
> -Very- early.
*blink* x.c *goes to get more Manga @_@*
>
> >> 81- Kodachi is one of Ranma's fiancees.
> >Well, she seems to think she is...
>
> She's never been called or called herself one.
>
> Blade
--
Reg
Best part about Manga Kodachi: You can't hear her laugh
Lord Archive
>
> Lord Archive wrote:
> >
> > 11- Akane bludgeoning Ranma for just calling her uncute, sexless, idiot,
> > or jerk once.
> > 51- Ranma always attacking P-Chan for being with Akane.
>
> the purpose of comparing change between then and some point later on in
> the author's story. It is a problem when they are thrown in for no
> apparent purpose other than to convince the reader that this is _really_
> Ranma or some other character. Using cliched actions to drown out OOC
> behavior.
Problem is that for points 11 and 50 rarely if ever happen. The others
only did so early in the series. A post-38 Ranma calling Akane's food
toxic waste is OOC as he never uttered anything like that for at least
the last 13 volumes, made a challenge to eat it- but not horribly insult
it.
> Some cliches that were not mentioned:
>
> 105) Perfect Ranma. The super Ranma that is so, due to falling into a
> better spring, having a better diet or education when growing up,
> magically enhanced, aged a few years past sixteen, genetically altered,
> was born to some powerful parents, etc.
> This only becomes a problem if there isn't some equivalent or stronger
> force in the story and we only get to see Ranma cutting a path through
> everone in terms of skill.
Something that is still relatively new. I'll consider it.
> 106) Ranma the super trainer.
Guess I should add this even if I'm guilty of it.
> 107) Followup to 106 usually, Akane the super fighter due to some
> training with someone of great ability like Ranma, Ryoga, or Cologne.
Akane the super fighter period.
> 108) Followup to 107 usually, Shampoo will be crushed and not train to
> go after Akane or some other opponent if she is beaten very badly.
Well, yes. Rematches are the norm.
(Will have to add Shampoo trashing Akane out of spite. Hmmm....)
> 109) Ranma and Akane reject everyone due to failed wedding.
Hmm... don't recall seeing this one too well. Ranma holding a long
grudge against the girls for destroying the wedding should be added.
> 110) Akane the hostage.
While not too often, it does happen.
However Akane is the only person that ever gets kidnapped should be
added.
Perfect Chaos
Some things are funny, some aren't. This one is. ^_^
4b: Ryouga always think he's somewhere OTHER than Nerima.
> > etc....)
> > 5- Mousse can defeat Shampoo to marry her.
Why has Mousse never used knockout gas? Think about it. He goes to the
Dojo after Shampoo, finds them both in the gym, says he wants to fight
Ranma, pulls out a gasmask, and lobs knockout gas. Of course, he'd hafta
prevent either from making their way out, but...^^;
And technically, he would've beaten them both since they could no longer
fight ^_^
> > 6- Genma engaging Ranma for food on a regular basis.
> > 7- Opening with a standard scene (Genma sparring with Ranma, Ranma and
> > Akane argument, Ranma flying via Akane-air) which has nothing to do with
> > the story.
> > 8- Shampoo or Cologne regularly lace Ranma's food with various potions.
8b: Cologne HAVING every known potion known to mankind.
O.o When's this happened?
> > 33- Ranma vulgarly or constantly insulting Akane's cooking.
> > 34- Akane is a lesbian.
>
> 34b: Everyone is a lesbian.
34c: Including Ranma, Konatsu, and Tsubasa
And yes, I know Tsubasa and Konatsu are guys ;p
>
> > 35- Nodoka has no intent on going through with the seppuku agreement.
> > 36- Akane loves Ryoga enough to marry him.
WAHH! When's THIS happened, and where can I find the fics? Just once I
wanna see Ryouga come out on top ;.;
> > 37- Ranma telling someone his troubles that he doesn't know or >trust.
"Listen, old ghoul, I've felt depressed lately."
"*WHACK* Feel better. Now buy some ramen or get out."
> > 38- Ranma, Akane, Shampoo, Mousse, or Ukyou easily falling in love with
> > someone other than their current love.
38b: Or with each everyone else x.x
> > 39- Nabiki giving up her mercenary ways for love.
> > 40- Ranma is honorable by _Japanese_ standards.
> > 41- Nodoka knows how to use her katana.
> > 42- Ranma can easily defeat Ryoga or Taro by himself.
> > 43- Post- Shi shi hokodan Ryoga attacking Ranma at first sight for
> > little or no reason.
> > 44- Nabiki is the sole source of income for the Tendo household.
>
> "Nabiki manages the house finances" is more or less a subcategory
> of this one.
>
> > 45- Shampoo helping anyone but Ranma for no reason.
> > 46- Tsubasa constantly stalks Ukyou.
>
> At the time it was a reasonable assumption based on his behaviour
> in the first movie.
>
> > 47- Ranma talks openly to Ukyou.
> > 48- Ranma suddenly deciding to marry Ukyou.
>
> Not so much a cliche as a cop-out.
>
> > 49- Mousse has everything, and I mean _everything_, hidden in his robes
> > (Jimmy Hoffa's drivers' license, Happosai's panty collection, kitchen
> > sink, Holy Grail, and everything else you can imagine)
Hey, I like that cliche alot too ^^
It's funny when it's used sparingly. ^^
> > 50- Akane getting upset at Ranma for the slightest insult to P-Chan.
> > 51- Ranma always attacking P-Chan for being with Akane.
> > 52- Konatsu's clan name is Kenzan.
>
> <Shrug> Maybe you should make a separate list for misconceptions that
> don't matter. Personally, I doubt anyone groans at hearing about the
> "Kenzan" clan as much as I do on seeing another mallet scene.
>
> > 53- Soun is a human waterfall.
>
> Which, while having significant justification, is frequently overdone.
Heyyy, done right it's funny as hell (read: Girl Days) ...Soun's
waterfall tendencies were good in that. I particularly liked how he was
bawling over just how damn GOOD that one meal was ^^
>
> > 54- Nabiki has connections to the mob or Yakuza.
> > 55- Nabiki is some kind of manipulative, corporate tycoon-type.
> > 56- Kasumi says nothing but "Oh, my."
>
> I like to use other translations for "ara", like "gracious", "oh dear"
> and "hot damn".
lol
*pictures Kasumi saying nothing but 'hot damn' and laughs*
>
> > 57- Akane plotting to punish Ryoga for being P-Chan in a cruel
> > non-violent fashion.
x.x Evil!
> > 58- Ryoga is in love with Ukyou and vice versa.
Eh...x.x
> > 59- Nabiki will marry Kuno for his money.
> > 60- Cologne knows just about everything.
>
> Doesn't she?
>
"Holy grail? Uh...yeah, I know where it is, why?"
> > 61- Nodoka and Genma having a daughter and naming her Ranko.
> > 62- Kodachi is pathologically insane.
> > 63- Characters using Japanese phrases but speaking English most of the
> > time.
> > 64- Characters having rare insightful moments without a reason (Ukyou
> > realizing that Ranma and Akane love each other while working in her
> > restaurant).
> > 63- Ranma speaking perfect English or Japanese.
> > 64- Ranma and Akane use the "L" word once, and everything goes peachy
> > from there. (No more bickering, extra fiancees dropping off without a
> > word, no more wandering martial artists, etc....)
I hate those. x.x
It's like Eva fics where Shinji and Asuka just REALIZE they love each
other and all that fighting was just oh-so-dumb x.x
> > 65- Ranma is supernaturally fast but has no strength, while Rouge has
> > inhuman strength but no speed.
>
> "Ryouga"
>
> > 66- Tsubasa or Konatsu are gay/semi-gay/going gay.
> > 67- Anyone can take most of the Ranma cast by surprise.
> > 68- Cursed forms affect the human form.
> > 69- Techniques make someone automatically better.
>
> I could use some clarification on that one.
>
> > 70- Rouge, Mousse and Shampoo are sitting ducks in their cursed forms.
>
> Or pigs, or cats...
>
> > 71- Taro or Rouge despise their curses.
>
> Never heard of Taro disliking his curse.
>
Getting that octopus add-on seems to prove otherwise, too.
> > 72- Genma will do anything for food.
>
> Here's one that bothers me. The assumption that Genma will totally
> abandon his son for any reason.
...x.x
>
> > 73- Happosai was handsome in his youth.
> > 74- Cologne was ugly in her youth.
> > 75- Genma is a useless, lazy old fart who has no valid combat potential
> > in Nerima.
> > 76- Ranma or Ryoga using higher level martial arts techniques (Shi Shi
> > Hokodan, Hiryu Shuten Ha) often and in every fight either of them get
> > into.
> > 77- Mousse is dumb.
>
> Define "dumb".
Running into things, professing his love to light poles, etc. Mousse is
cool dammit. ><; He just...needs stronger glasses @_@
What's he call Nodoka in the japanese version? c.c; I haven't seen that
far ;.;
> > 98- The dimensional mallet is a physical manifestation of chi.
> > 99- Post- Herb saga Mousse attacking Ranma for no reason.
*blink* o.o
> > 100- Anime characterization is the same as manga characterization.
>
> That isn't a cliche.
>
> > 101- Ranma and Akane regularly visit Dr. Tofu to solve any of their
> > problems, particularly occult ones (especially manga based).
"Tofu-sensei, my wok doesn't work..."
"Tofu-sensei, what's sex?"
"Tofu-sensei, what's your PROBLEM?"
> > 102- Nabiki repents for her mercenary ways by doing Christian type good
> > deeds to calm her soul.
>
> Oh come on. Only one story for that. I think you need two before it
> qualifies as a cliche.
>
> > 103- Ranma easily submitting to being a girl while having sex with his
> > lover.
> > 104- Ukyou consciously understands that Akane is Ranma's first choice to
> > marry.
> >
> > Note in concerns to certain cliches:
> > #25 Kasumi loves Dr. Tofu: While Kasumi does show interest in Dr. Tofu,
> > according to Takahashi-sensei, she doesn't love him.
>
> One thing unclear in ones like this is whether you are saying that these
> people are already in love, or come to be in love.
>
> > #63 doesn't apply to Japanese words that have no English equivalent.
> > #86 and 87, Furinkan is like any other Japanese school which has half
> > days of classes on the first and third Saturdays of the month. The
> > school year is starts in April and ends in March.
> >
> > Thanks to Talen, Douglas E. Kulp, Rakhal, Vincent Seifert, Arnold Kim,
> > and Eshin for contributing to the list.
> > --
> > -Lord Archive http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Fuji/9061/anime.html
> > Sanity is highly overrated.
> > Mom said there would be days like this,
> > but not this freaking many of them.
--
Reg
Rob Kelk
<massive snip>
> >2- Ms. Tendo's name is Kimiko.
>
> I honestly have never seen this one. Is it really that common?
I rarely see any other given name for Tendo-san. (I recall one fanfic
author (don't recall which) say he(?) used the name because Gregg Sharp
uses it all the time. Don't know what everyone else's excuse is,
though...)
<massive snip>
Rob Kelk
>
> <<
> 1- Manga female Ranma has red hair. >>
>
> If one is a true purest than this is a cliche but I think it is perfectly
> acceptable to write a manga based Ranma fanfic were onna-Ranma has red hair. It
> provides for better descriptions and also gives Ranma's female form more
> differances than his male form.
Now that's an interesting position - the two Ranmas should have
different hair colours to make them different. It begs a question,
though: Why should the two Ranmas be at all different, other than in
gender? They're two forms of the _same_ person. One would expect the
two forms to be as similar as possible, not remarkably different...
<remainder snipped>
Rob Kelk
>
> David Johnston wrote:
> >
> > Lord Archive wrote:
> > >
> > > Ranma Fanfiction Cliches:
<snip>
> > > 4- Ryoga can end up ANYwhere while lost (England, Zimbabwe, >El-Hazard,
So I shouldn't write a fanfic where Ryoga, with onna-Ranma in tow, ends
up on the BeBop? (And Spike and Faye end up in Nerima at the same time,
of course...) ^_^
> Some things are funny, some aren't. This one is. ^_^
>
> 4b: Ryouga always think he's somewhere OTHER than Nerima.
The anime Ryoga acts like this - that's probably where this cliche came
from.
<snip>
> > > 56- Kasumi says nothing but "Oh, my."
> >
> > I like to use other translations for "ara", like "gracious", "oh dear"
> > and "hot damn".
>
> lol
>
> *pictures Kasumi saying nothing but 'hot damn' and laughs*
Gak!
<snip>
> > > 60- Cologne knows just about everything.
> >
> > Doesn't she?
> >
>
> "Holy grail? Uh...yeah, I know where it is, why?"
ROFLMAO!
<mega-snip>
Blade
>
>Lord Archive <arc...@mich.com> wrote:
>>Donny Cheng wrote:
>>> Some cliches that were not mentioned:
>>> training with someone of great ability like Ranma, Ryoga, or Cologne.
>>
>>Akane the super fighter period.
>level of potential (Battle Dougi story).
That was her ultimate potential though, and it wasn't even as high as Happousai
or Cologne are in their current, relatively feeble condition.
It's about what one would expect from a martial artist who is superior in her
world, but not a prodigy on the level of Ranma.
>The real cliche is that she could reach those levels relatively
>easily. Or maybe that she WOULD (try to) reach them at all. Martial
>arts are a secondary concern for Akane, at best, and it'd take a fair
>amount of character development to get her to the point where she'd
>even consider devoting herself to that kind of training.
Quite. And it would probably take her decades, at least, to reach that point.
>But given that, plus a few years... it could happen. <shrug>
The usual cliche, tho, is that Akane will learn extraordinarily fast when she
-does- train, which is true in the anime, I suppose (Natsume/Kurumi) but has no
particular basis in the manga.
Blade
Perfect Chaos
>
> Perfect Chaos wrote:
>
> > > > 32- Akane going to college to study theater.
> >
> > O.o When's this happened?
>
> who liked the idea (because of Akane's enthusiasm for playing Juliet
> in the school play.) It's an old cliche, though. Nobody uses it much
> any more.
>
>
Ahh...I mighta seen that @.o
>
> > > > 33- Ranma vulgarly or constantly insulting Akane's cooking.
> > > > 34- Akane is a lesbian.
> > >
> > > 34b: Everyone is a lesbian.
> >
> > 34c: Including Ranma, Konatsu, and Tsubasa
> >
> > And yes, I know Tsubasa and Konatsu are guys ;p
> >
> > >
> > > > 35- Nodoka has no intent on going through with the seppuku agreement.
> > > > 36- Akane loves Ryoga enough to marry him.
> >
> > WAHH! When's THIS happened, and where can I find the fics? Just once I
> > wanna see Ryouga come out on top ;.;
>
> I've seen a few. For example when Ranma turned out to be burakamin, or
> when Ryouga tried to kill Ranma and left him comatose and trapped in female
> form, and a few times when Ranma gets whacked (frequently by a truck).
> And of course there was the dream episode in the anime.
>
....whacked by a truck.
....Ranma.
....x.x;
> >
> > > > 37- Ranma telling someone his troubles that he doesn't know or >trust.
> >
> > "Listen, old ghoul, I've felt depressed lately."
> > "*WHACK* Feel better. Now buy some ramen or get out."
>
> Heck, Ranma telling his troubles to someone he _does_ know or trust.
> Fanfic Ranmas are often so in touch with their feelings that they make
> me sick.
>
Yeah...unless it's supposed to be a WAFFy fic. ^^
> >
> > > I like to use other translations for "ara", like "gracious", "oh dear"
> > > and "hot damn".
> >
> > lol
> >
> > *pictures Kasumi saying nothing but 'hot damn' and laughs*
>
> It would rather change her image, wouldn't it?
>
Kasumi the Biker Slut!
> > > > 71- Taro or Rouge despise their curses.
> > >
> > > Never heard of Taro disliking his curse.
> > >
> >
> > Getting that octopus add-on seems to prove otherwise, too.
>
> Yes, but fanfic authors haven't had a problem putting in other
> cliches that contradict the canon. I'm just unaware of any
> fanfic where Taro does hate his curse. In fanfics with Rouge,
> her curse tends to have somehow gone sour.
>
I think I'm a far ways away from the Rouge storyline....
> >
> > > > 72- Genma will do anything for food.
> > >
> > > Here's one that bothers me. The assumption that Genma will totally
> > > abandon his son for any reason.
> >
> > ...x.x
>
> I'm not kidding. People think that because Genma is cowardly, uses
> insanely risky training techniques and has made a lot of trouble for
> his son that Genma doesn't care about the boy. The truth is, Genma has
> pretty much devoted his life to making his little super-man the repository
> of all his hopes. Genma _needs_ Ranma and would never deliberately let go
> of him.
>
"Living vicariously through your son, Saotome?"
"Shutup, Tendo."
> >
> > >
> > > Ranma using any honorifics. Once again, more of a misconception than a
> > > cliche.
> > >
> >
> > What's he call Nodoka in the japanese version? c.c; I haven't seen that
> > far ;.;
>
> Ofukuro. It's not a terribly polite way to refer to one's mother. But
> I suppose he does -san Kasumi and -sensei Hinako.
Ahhh o.o
--
Reg
Lord Archive
David Johnston wrote:
>
> Lord Archive wrote:
>
> That's a legitimate character interpretation, depending on what parts of
> the canon you've read. It isn't particularly a cliche because there is a
> good mix of Shampoo depictions out there.
Shampoo bouncing around with a rattle sound in her head and having the
IQ of 40 is not character interpretation, it's character bashing and
I've seen quite a few ficts that protray her as that and weren't
off-the-wall silly ficts either.
> > 17- Cologne is evil.
>
> Tofu is evil.
Not much evidence for or against. The problem is some of the more
respected authors made Dr. Tofu evil in some of the more memorable
ficts. This is on the threashold to become a true cliche, but not yet
since the newer evil Tofu's were still new with how to implement him.
He looks to become the new 'evil Cologne' of fan ficts though.
> > 26- Curses are inheritable.
>
> You know, I wouldn't say that idea is common enough in fanfiction
> to qualify as a cliche. There's reason to think that it is _wrong_
> by canon, but next generation fics simply aren't that common in the
> first place, and most of them don't have heritable curses.
Most of the next generation ficts tend to die before they would get
posted to RAAC. I've seen quite a few and they usually do have Ranma's
children cursed with no explanation of why other than because Ranma had
the curse.
> > 31- Nodoka doesn't even know about the seppuku agreement.
>
> Not that common. In fact, I can only recall one example, that one from a
> clearly stated alternate universe. I recall many, many cases where Nodoka
> thinks it's just fine if Ranma betrays his responsibilities, breaks his word,
> and behaves in an unmanly fashion, which is both uncanonical and a cliche,
> but not this one.
I've seen a couple old ficts that did this and it was distasteful enough
to remember it.
> > 34- Akane is a lesbian.
>
> 34b: Everyone is a lesbian.
The only ones I've seen were mostly gag ficts.
> > 44- Nabiki is the sole source of income for the Tendo household.
>
> "Nabiki manages the house finances" is more or less a subcategory
> of this one.
Not quite, the house finances would include investments that belong to
her father. She didn't make the money, she just helped account for it.
> > 46- Tsubasa constantly stalks Ukyou.
>
> At the time it was a reasonable assumption based on his behaviour
> in the first movie.
His behavarior in movie one as a three second sight gag, that was it.
Counting the movie, the anime Tsubasa only appears a total of three or
four times, manga was only once. This does not count regularity or
consistancy. Treating Tsubasa as a regular character goes against either
anime or manga canon.
> > 48- Ranma suddenly deciding to marry Ukyou.
>
> Not so much a cliche as a cop-out.
Annoying, repeated and not fresh- it's a cliche.
> > 52- Konatsu's clan name is Kenzan.
>
> <Shrug> Maybe you should make a separate list for misconceptions that
> don't matter. Personally, I doubt anyone groans at hearing about the
> "Kenzan" clan as much as I do on seeing another mallet scene.
There are a couple. It's a misconception that needs to be pointed out
somewhere.
> > 53- Soun is a human waterfall.
>
> Which, while having significant justification, is frequently overdone.
Probably should reword this as to saying in concern to Soun crying about
everything, usually in huge arcing flows of tears.
> > 60- Cologne knows just about everything.
>
> Doesn't she?
She knows a lot, but not is not capable of speaking 100+ languages
including some not found on Earth and has memmorized lore of every major
and minor religion around the world and etc....
> > 69- Techniques make someone automatically better.
>
> I could use some clarification on that one.
Just because you learn a certain technique or set of techniques doesn't
make you so much better. Think of all the Saotome School Special
techniques such as 'Look a 5 yen coin!' don't make him better unless his
opponent is a fool.
> > 71- Taro or Rouge despise their curses.
>
> Never heard of Taro disliking his curse.
A few ficts where I doubt they knew anything about Taro besides his name
and some things about his attitude.
> > 72- Genma will do anything for food.
>
> Here's one that bothers me. The assumption that Genma will totally
> abandon his son for any reason.
It's the anything that's the clincher. He will do a lot, but he will not
sell of Ranma for food, lend him out, yes, but not sell.
> > 77- Mousse is dumb.
>
> Define "dumb".
His only thoughts are kill Ranma and love Shampoo. He's obsessive and
not high on morals, but he is does have a decent intelligence-
particularly when Shampoo isn't around.
> > 78- Shampoo is not a virgin.
>
> Uh...who claimed that?
A few ficts have Shampoo satisfying her longing for Ranma with random
guys off the street or use Amazon women superiority bit where it is
expected of the women to sleep around and the men to wait until
marriage.
> > 79- Nabiki will help her family out for no reason other than it needs
> > doing.
>
> 79b Nabiki will help only for money, (and not for amusement,
> or because her father told her to).
I don't recall Nabiki every doing anything her farther wanted her to do
in the original series anime or manga.
For her own amusement, oh yes.
> > 84- Kuno cannot adapt to any situation.
>
> Needs clarification.
Change anything and he brainfarts. Either does nothing or rants about
the change.
> > 86- Furinkan never holds classes on Saturday and has no school from June
> > to August.
>
> Not so much a cliche as a misconception.
Should probably make a misconceptions list. It would weed out a good
section of the list.
> > 93- Kasumi is a serial murderer. "It's always the nice ones."
>
> Now, now, there was only one story, spamfics aside. Of course, one might
> be enough.
Two different good sized fan ficts that I can think of off hand added to
the spam ficts that think their 'original' in using Kasumi as a killer.
Not to mention at least another one that has Kasumi as a mass killer.
> > 94- Happosai is not evil.
>
> Define "evil".
Will figure that out.
> > 97- Ranma calling Akane, Akane-chan, for any reason.
>
> Ranma using any honorifics. Once again, more of a misconception than a
> cliche.
Ranma has used honorifics to four individuals, Kasumi-san, Kuno-sempai,
ojisan (Soun), and sensei (Ms. Hinako) so saying he doesn't use them is
false.
> > 100- Anime characterization is the same as manga characterization.
>
> That isn't a cliche.
Maybe a misconception. The problem is that manga and the anime are two
vastly different canons. When the anime ends, that Ranma has very little
incommon with manga Ranma (vol 22 or end) in terms of their motivations.
If I wasn't working on so many fanficts, I'd be tempted to do a fanfict
where one of the characters from the manga switched places with one from
the anime.
> > 102- Nabiki repents for her mercenary ways by doing Christian type good
> > deeds to calm her soul.
>
> Oh come on. Only one story for that. I think you need two before it
> qualifies as a cliche.
One stated as her doing that and others having her doing that kind of
repentance without the religious references.
> > Note in concerns to certain cliches:
> > #25 Kasumi loves Dr. Tofu: While Kasumi does show interest in Dr. Tofu,
> > according to Takahashi-sensei, she doesn't love him.
>
> One thing unclear in ones like this is whether you are saying that these
> people are already in love, or come to be in love.
Huh? What are you saying?
Lord Archive
>
> I honestly have never seen this one. Is it really that common?
At least a couple dozen ficts use it. Very few of them very memorable
though or at least in their usage of the name.
> >6- Genma engaging Ranma for food on a regular basis.
>
> Mmm...not a regular basis, no, but he has done it more than once in both
> continuities, so it is not necessarily wrong to have him do it again.
Maybe I should stress the regular part. Genma engaging Ranma a couple
more times isn't a stretch- a hundred and forty two times in an
otherwise serious fict most definitely is.
> >7- Opening with a standard scene (Genma sparring with Ranma, Ranma and
> >Akane argument, Ranma flying via Akane-air) which has nothing to do with
> >the story.
>
> A few-a VERY few-stories -have- opened this way, but only to lead into something
> else, so at least make it relevent.
There are quite a few that do open this way and most don't lead up to
what was going to happen. The scene was basically 'it was a normal day
in Nerima' only to be followed by a scene that was 'but then...' where
the 'normal day' bit could have been edited out.
> >8- Shampoo or Cologne regularly lace Ranma's food with various potions.
>
> Well, Shampoo DOES when she has a chance. The "chance" part is the clincher,
> tho. Shampoo does not -normally- have access to such things.
May want to reword this to indicate that Shampoo would if she could.
> >9- Akane's cooking can: create life, be considered a biohazard, be used
> >as an industrial cleaner, etc....
> >10- Shampoo is an airhead.
>
> Umm...characterisation issue. How do you define "airhead"?
Having the intelligence of a hot air balloon. I'll try to clarify that
Shampoo can think for herself and isn't Colognes little puppet.
> >16- A Jusenkyo curse victim hit with waters of Jusenkyo cursed pool of
> >drowned twins will (permanently) separate into original and cursed
> >forms.
>
> While this is exceedingly unlikely, there's no actual canon proof against it.
While not ruled out possible in the original series, at least half the
Ranma splits into boy and girl stories use the twin waters as the
excuse. And there are quite a few of those ficts.
> >17- Cologne is evil.
>
> Much as I tend to agree, this is a debated characterisation issue, and some
> people may disagree.
Wanted to rephrase this:
Cologne forcing others to obey her will and/or the will of her tribe.
> >18- Ukyou has no flaws and is completely selfless.
>
> And, complimentary, "Ukyou is Shampoo with better grammar."
Hmmm... maybe a little different in wording.
Ukyou acts like Shampoo, just with better grammar.
> >21- Akane uses her mallet on a regular basis.
>
> Incorrect. She DOES use a mallet frequently in the manga.
28 times, 18 on Ranma, some of them when Akane goes 'mallet happy' and
nails him a few times during the same story. Throughout the manga series
when she has hit others countless times, she used what was nearby or her
fist instead.
I'll try to think of a way to rephrase it. Maybe:
21- Akane usually prefers to use the mallet to express her anger.
> Of course, it is incorrect to have ONLY Akane use it, or inply the mallet is
> somehow special.
Considering that there are a total of 57 mallet strikes in the manga,
Akane uses it only half the time.
>
> >22- Nabiki handles the finances of the Tendo home.
> >23- Gosunkugi regularly attempts to practice magic.
> >24- Kasumi is able to manipulate people to do what she wants.
> >25- Kasumi loves Dr. Tofu.
>
> Some people may debate that one.
The memorial book shows the love lines between characters and
Dr. Tofu's line to Kasumi wasn't returned.
> >26- Curses are inheritable.
>
> Not curses, but TRAITS are definitely inherited. Which makes one wonder what
> Ranma's kids will be like...or Taro's, for that matter. ;p
Yes, Ranma's boys would likely look quite bishonen.
> >27- Akane is the only one to use mallets.
>
> Should probably put this one by the above.
Probably.
> >28- Shampoo secretly loves Mousse.
> >29- Nabiki declaring instantaneous love for Kuno, and mean it.
> >30- Mousse can defeat anyone immediately after he gets perfect vision.
>
> (since I started this, I'd better defend it, ne?) One could make a good argument
> that Mousse would be considerably more dangerous with perfect vision. Not
> "defeat anyone", no, but having him be a close match for Ranma is not a large
> stretch.
Yes, he'd improve with the better vision after training to work with it.
Immediately after getting the improved vision, it would be detrimental
to him as he isn't used to having all the extra information.
> >31- Nodoka doesn't even know about the seppuku agreement.
>
> Uhh...who did this? Nodoka EXPLAINED it! ^^;;;;
Early fan ficts involving Nodoka (as in just after the OAV series was
released). It still irks me enough to include it since some people who
don't have access to the manga may get the wrong idea if they read one
of them.
> >32- Akane going to college to study theater.
>
> Akane showing any particular interest in acting whatsoever, in fact.
Yep. Maybe should expand that.
> >33- Ranma vulgarly or constantly insulting Akane's cooking.
>
> "Vulgarly"? And he DOES insult it whenever she is cooking.
Vulgarly as in: Toxic waste, poison, cement mix, death in a bowl....
He doesn't every time. In volume 25, before Akane left for Ryugenzawa he
doesn't insult her cooking once, gives lame excuses not to eat, but he
doesn't insult it.
> >34- Akane is a lesbian.
>
> 9_9
What Price Love and The Slut, The Whore, and The Lesbian (hope I got
that name right) as well as a few other ficts.
> >37- Ranma telling someone his troubles that he doesn't know or trust.
>
> Which would be "anybody except Akane".
Pretty much and when he does open up it took a lot for it to happen and
he doesn't say much even then.
> >41- Nodoka knows how to use her katana.
>
> Actually, you can argue she's learned between her first appearence and the "Bust
> Battle" story in Volume 34. there she does several things requiring a fair
> degree of skill.
>
> She'd be nowhere near a real Ranma martial artist, tho.
Will broaden this then:
Nodoka is an expert with using the katana.
> >43- Post- Shi shi hokodan Ryoga attacking Ranma at first sight for
> >little or no reason.
>
> Ryouga EVER attacking Ranma for no reason, without a formal challenge.
Let's not open a can of worms with this. Besides, the anime was worse
when it came to Ryoga attacking Ranma.
> >49- Mousse has everything, and I mean _everything_, hidden in his robes
> >(Jimmy Hoffa's drivers' license, Happosai's panty collection, kitchen
> >sink, Holy Grail, and everything else you can imagine)
>
> True, but this is only a slight exaggeration, given that he has pulled some
> seriously weird shit out of there in the manga.
Lots of weird garbage isn't my problem. Having him pull out things he
should not be reasonably be able to get a hold of is. If Mousse pulls
out an AK-47, I want to know how he got it.
> >58- Ryoga is in love with Ukyou and vice versa.
>
> Much as I hate to admit it, this is true in the anime.
Granted I haven't watched much of the recent anime, but when did this
happen?
> >60- Cologne knows just about everything.
>
> However, she IS the most likely person for Ranma&Co. to go to if they have
> questions about lore and stuff.
Yes, but Cologne telling Ranma and crew about an obscure European legend
would be hard to sallow without some explanation as to how she would
know that.
> >62- Kodachi is pathologically insane.
>
> Mmm...it depends on how one defines "pathologically", but somebody who refers to
> other people as "ants" and then cheerfully paralyses them for for no particular
> reason has definite problems.
Serious need of being committed for public safety. I won't argue that
she doesn't need help, because she does. So does the rest of the Ranma
cast.
> >63- Characters using Japanese phrases but speaking English most of the
> >time.
>
> Some people don't like this, but it's a common practice in professional novels
> that have Japanese people. It's not literarily "wrong".
The extent of use can be a problem though. When you need to put a
dictionary at the end of a fict to detail what twenty plus Japanese
words meant, they really shouldn't be there.
> >64- Ranma and Akane use the "L" word once, and everything goes peachy
> >from there. (No more bickering, extra fiancees dropping off without a
> >word, no more wandering martial artists, etc....)
>
> <laugh>
Some of the ficts that do this cause other reactions that laughing
unfortunately.
> >65- Ranma is supernaturally fast but has no strength, while Rouge has
> >inhuman strength but no speed.
>
> Ryouga, I think you mean?
Glitch in spell checker that I thought I fixed but apparently hadn't.
Sorry.
> >66- Tsubasa or Konatsu are gay/semi-gay/going gay.
>
> You COULD make an argument for Konatsu. Not Tsubasa, though.
Several bad ficts pairing Konatsu and Tsubasa tend to leave a bad taste
in your mouth.
> >76- Ranma or Ryoga using higher level martial arts techniques (Shi Shi
> >Hokodan, Hiryu Shuten Ha) often and in every fight either of them get
> >into.
>
> While this is wrong, I can see the point. In a visual medium, "normal" fights
> can always look spectacular. In a text medium, however, "normal" fights quickly
> get very dry, and dialogue such as shouting out special moves livens up the pace
> and allows for more interesting descriptions.
"Normal" fights are not the speculator multi-chapter affairs. Normal
fights are someone getting upset, attempting to pound the offender, and
something or someone stops it. Ryoga using Shi Shi Hokodan to show his
displeasure at being goaded into a fight by Ranma using his usual
insults is a bit much and quite unnecessary.
> >81- Kodachi is one of Ranma's fiancees.
>
> Or Shampoo, for that matter. NOBODY ever refers to her as a fiancee, including
> her and Cologne. Nor do they refer to her as being already married to Ranma,
> IIRC.
Hmmm... no one in the Ranma cast. I could argue that a random Furinkan
student would think they are engaged. May have to add this then.
XXX- Someone from the Ranma crew referring to Shampoo as one of Ranma's
fiancee.
> >82- Ukyou has been waiting for Ranma to have sex with her since she was
> >six.
>
> ...
>
> Huh?
This was mostly for a Ukyou-fan-troll.
Once was too much.
> >94- Happosai is not evil.
>
> Happousai isn't a good guy, but he HAS shown some moments of caring in the
> manga.
Usually towards children. Will have to modify this as to not be black
and white- just a shade of dark gray.
> >101- Ranma and Akane regularly visit Dr. Tofu to solve any of their
> >problems, particularly occult ones (especially manga based).
>
> Not regularly, but they were shown to go to him on occasion. Cologne pretty
> much took over that role, tho.
After Hiryu Shuten Ha, Dr. Tofu disappears completely in the manga.
> >Note in concerns to certain cliches:
> >#25 Kasumi loves Dr. Tofu: While Kasumi does show interest in Dr. Tofu,
> >according to Takahashi-sensei, she doesn't love him.
>
> Did Takahashi specifically say this?
As stated above, it was part of the Memorial Book.
Perfect Chaos
>
> Perfect Chaos <reg...@webzone.net> wrote:
> >
> > David Johnston wrote:
> > >
> > > Lord Archive wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ranma Fanfiction Cliches:
>
>
> > > > 4- Ryoga can end up ANYwhere while lost (England, Zimbabwe, >El-Hazard,
>
> up on the BeBop? (And Spike and Faye end up in Nerima at the same time,
> of course...) ^_^
I never got around to seeing BeBop...o.o
>
> > Some things are funny, some aren't. This one is. ^_^
> >
> > 4b: Ryouga always think he's somewhere OTHER than Nerima.
>
> The anime Ryoga acts like this - that's probably where this cliche came
> from.
>
"So...I'm in Paris?"
"No, sir."
"There's the Eiffel Tower!"
"That's Tokyo Tower, sir."
> <snip>
>
> > > > 56- Kasumi says nothing but "Oh, my."
> > >
> > > I like to use other translations for "ara", like "gracious", "oh dear"
> > > and "hot damn".
> >
> > lol
> >
> > *pictures Kasumi saying nothing but 'hot damn' and laughs*
>
> Gak!
>
> <snip>
>
> > > > 60- Cologne knows just about everything.
> > >
> > > Doesn't she?
> > >
> >
> > "Holy grail? Uh...yeah, I know where it is, why?"
>
> ROFLMAO!
"For the last time, I wasn't there when Lincoln got shot, I don't know
who picked off JFK, I was NOT the Gerber Baby, and if you don't order
some ramen, I'm going to wahck you with my Big-Ass Cane!"
>
> <mega-snip>
>
> --
> Rob Kelk rob...@ottawa.com
> "I'm _not_ a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
--
Reg
Allister Huggins
<snip>
> << 103- Ranma easily submitting to being a girl while having sex with his
> lover. >>
> I never seen a fanfic that has Ranma easily submit to this but "Thy Outward
> Part" by Lawson-kun does a great job of Ranma learning to deal with being stuck
> as a girl and learning to love and eventually enjoy and wanting to have sex
> with a man. Only one man but none the less a man.
Another good one would be the Iris Tales.
Allister H.
Donny Cheng
Lord Archive wrote:
>
> Donny Cheng wrote:
> >
> > Lord Archive wrote:
> > >
> > > 11- Akane bludgeoning Ranma for just calling her uncute, sexless, idiot,
> > > or jerk once.
> > > 33- Ranma vulgarly or constantly insulting Akane's cooking.
> > > 50- Akane getting upset at Ranma for the slightest insult to P-Chan.
> > > 51- Ranma always attacking P-Chan for being with Akane.
> > > 85- Kuno never accepts defeat, claiming 'sorcery.'
> >
> > True, they are overused, but I have no problem with them if they serve
> > the purpose of comparing change between then and some point later on in
> > the author's story. It is a problem when they are thrown in for no
> > apparent purpose other than to convince the reader that this is _really_
> > Ranma or some other character. Using cliched actions to drown out OOC
> > behavior.
>
> Problem is that for points 11 and 50 rarely if ever happen. The others
> only did so early in the series. A post-38 Ranma calling Akane's food
> toxic waste is OOC as he never uttered anything like that for at least
> the last 13 volumes, made a challenge to eat it- but not horribly insult
> it.
For 11) it depends on the situation. What brought Ranma to insult
Akane? If out of the blue, no, I don't think he would get hit. But if
he is adding insult to injury, then depending on what he did previously,
a smack wouldn't be too unreasonable. Volume 36 seems to indicate what
he still thinks of the food especially given the sign he puts out of
Ukyo's restaurant. If a fic had Akane make food, while an instant
insult might be wrong, strong fighting against eating said food wouldn't
be.
> > Some cliches that were not mentioned:
> >
> > 105) Perfect Ranma. The super Ranma that is so, due to falling into a
> > better spring, having a better diet or education when growing up,
> > magically enhanced, aged a few years past sixteen, genetically altered,
> > was born to some powerful parents, etc.
> > This only becomes a problem if there isn't some equivalent or stronger
> > force in the story and we only get to see Ranma cutting a path through
> > everone in terms of skill.
>
> Something that is still relatively new. I'll consider it.
I think it's showed major push in early 1998 and had a smattering of
them before then.
> > 106) Ranma the super trainer.
>
> Guess I should add this even if I'm guilty of it.
I've used both... the poor and the good trainer.
> > 107) Followup to 106 usually, Akane the super fighter due to some
> > training with someone of great ability like Ranma, Ryoga, or Cologne.
>
> Akane the super fighter period.
*Nods* There's also Nabiki and Kasumi as secretly good fighters or will
become awesome fighters with training.
> > 108) Followup to 107 usually, Shampoo will be crushed and not train to
> > go after Akane or some other opponent if she is beaten very badly.
>
> Well, yes. Rematches are the norm.
> (Will have to add Shampoo trashing Akane out of spite. Hmmm....)
Heh, don't recall a fic where anyone that loses to Akane will train for
a rematch, now that I think about it.
> > 109) Ranma and Akane reject everyone due to failed wedding.
>
> Hmm... don't recall seeing this one too well. Ranma holding a long
> grudge against the girls for destroying the wedding should be added.
I've seen both Ranma and Akane angry at Nabiki and others for the
wedding fiasco. Another one that might be added here is the tragic Ukyo
after said wedding.
> > 110) Akane the hostage.
>
> While not too often, it does happen.
> However Akane is the only person that ever gets kidnapped should be
> added.
Have seen one for each of Ranma, Shampoo, Ukyo, etc. getting captured
actually.
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Scott Schimmel
>> training with someone of great ability like Ranma, Ryoga, or Cologne.
>
>Akane the super fighter period.
Well, there is canon to support the concept. Akane has a very high
level of potential (Battle Dougi story).
The real cliche is that she could reach those levels relatively
easily. Or maybe that she WOULD (try to) reach them at all. Martial
arts are a secondary concern for Akane, at best, and it'd take a fair
amount of character development to get her to the point where she'd
even consider devoting herself to that kind of training.
But given that, plus a few years... it could happen. <shrug>
>> 108) Followup to 107 usually, Shampoo will be crushed and not train to
>> go after Akane or some other opponent if she is beaten very badly.
>
>Well, yes. Rematches are the norm.
>(Will have to add Shampoo trashing Akane out of spite. Hmmm....)
Why wouldn't Shampoo do so, assuming she thought she could get away
with it without alienating Ranma? She does just that at the start of
the Super Soba storyline (sort of).
Scott Schimmel Ex ignorantia ad sapientium;
Ex luce ad tenebras.
"You really aren't normal, are you?" - Miki Koishikawa
David Johnston
> > > 32- Akane going to college to study theater.
>
> O.o When's this happened?
Started with Daigasomething No Ranma. Used by a few other writers
who liked the idea (because of Akane's enthusiasm for playing Juliet
in the school play.) It's an old cliche, though. Nobody uses it much
any more.
>
> > > 33- Ranma vulgarly or constantly insulting Akane's cooking.
> > > 34- Akane is a lesbian.
> >
> > 34b: Everyone is a lesbian.
>
> 34c: Including Ranma, Konatsu, and Tsubasa
>
> And yes, I know Tsubasa and Konatsu are guys ;p
>
> >
> > > 35- Nodoka has no intent on going through with the seppuku agreement.
> > > 36- Akane loves Ryoga enough to marry him.
>
> WAHH! When's THIS happened, and where can I find the fics? Just once I
> wanna see Ryouga come out on top ;.;
I've seen a few. For example when Ranma turned out to be burakamin, or
when Ryouga tried to kill Ranma and left him comatose and trapped in female
form, and a few times when Ranma gets whacked (frequently by a truck).
And of course there was the dream episode in the anime.
>
> > > 37- Ranma telling someone his troubles that he doesn't know or >trust.
>
> "Listen, old ghoul, I've felt depressed lately."
> "*WHACK* Feel better. Now buy some ramen or get out."
Heck, Ranma telling his troubles to someone he _does_ know or trust.
Fanfic Ranmas are often so in touch with their feelings that they make
me sick.
>
> > I like to use other translations for "ara", like "gracious", "oh dear"
> > and "hot damn".
>
> lol
>
> *pictures Kasumi saying nothing but 'hot damn' and laughs*
It would rather change her image, wouldn't it?
> > > 71- Taro or Rouge despise their curses.
> >
> > Never heard of Taro disliking his curse.
> >
>
> Getting that octopus add-on seems to prove otherwise, too.
Yes, but fanfic authors haven't had a problem putting in other
cliches that contradict the canon. I'm just unaware of any
fanfic where Taro does hate his curse. In fanfics with Rouge,
her curse tends to have somehow gone sour.
>
> > > 72- Genma will do anything for food.
> >
> > Here's one that bothers me. The assumption that Genma will totally
> > abandon his son for any reason.
>
> ...x.x
I'm not kidding. People think that because Genma is cowardly, uses
insanely risky training techniques and has made a lot of trouble for
his son that Genma doesn't care about the boy. The truth is, Genma has
pretty much devoted his life to making his little super-man the repository
of all his hopes. Genma _needs_ Ranma and would never deliberately let go
of him.
>
> >
> > Ranma using any honorifics. Once again, more of a misconception than a
> > cliche.
> >
>
> What's he call Nodoka in the japanese version? c.c; I haven't seen that
> far ;.;
Ofukuro. It's not a terribly polite way to refer to one's mother. But
Shadow6865
WAHH! When's THIS happened, and where can I find the fics? Just once I
wanna see Ryouga come out on top ;. >>
I think Ryouga is probably the type that prefers to be on bottom ;) Anyway, I
have read several fanfics were Ryouga marries Akane but I can only recall the
plots to a few of them and I do not think you will like some of them. The fics
are.
1. Ranma 1/2: The College Years. Not as good as DnR but it does have some
amusing parts. It starts off with Ranma deciding to marry Ukyou, Akane marrying
or at least becoming engaged to Ryouga, and Shamps marrying Mousse. Ranma,
Ukyou, Akane, and Ryouga all enroll in the same college but the problem is that
the college thinks Ranma and Ukyou are brother/sister instead of husband and
wife so Ranma and Ryouga become roomies and Ukyou and Akane become roomies as
well.
2. Title ??? (darkfic): Ryouga and Ranma are fighting one day and Ryouga
accidently kills Ranma. Unfortuntatly for Ryouga, Ukyou sees him kill Ranma.
Luckily for Ryouga, Ukyou goes crazy at the scene of Ranma's death and is
committed because the authorities think she killed Ranma. Ryouga marries Akane
but is still haunted by what happened all those years ago.
3. Title ???: Ranma gets fed up with his life and decided to move to America
because everything is free there (just kidding but Kudos for whoever gets the
refrence) Anyway Ranma is in Seattle moves gets involved with a girl there but
while he is away Ryouga and Akane become offcial but also begin to argue more
(talk about poetic justice)
4. Elseworld's #1 by John Biles: Alternate universe series with interesting
twists. Characters get to see their ideal lives but after they see their ideal
they vanish from the regular Ranma universe. The first chapter is Ukyou's so as
she ends up with Ranma, Akane ends up with Ryouga.
5. John O'Brien has several fanfics that feature Ryouga and Akane and Ranma
and Ukyou as couples.
Disruptor
> I have compiled this list to help new authors to avoid cliches that have
> been overly used and in many cases incorrect in regards to canon. This
> is not to attack any author or to dishearten any who want to attempt
> writing. Every author has made mistakes with their work, and I am no
> exception. If you think you can do something new with something on this
> list, go ahead- it might end up being one of the best fan ficts ever
> written.
up.
> will most likely be your harshest critic. If you like what you've
> written, it doesn't matter what others think.
> 1- Manga female Ranma has red hair.
> 2- Ms. Tendo's name is Kimiko.
>
> practically canon in and of themselves do to the number of times
> repeated. They are not correct per original series, but have become
> accepted. Having manga Ranma's hair being black or giving Mrs. Tendo a
> different name is entirely acceptable as is following these two points.
>
not against the gold ring Akane wears.
> 4- Ryoga can end up ANYwhere while lost (England, Zimbabwe, El-Hazard,
Right now he's stuck in a veteranry clinic undergoing various shots.
> 7- Opening with a standard scene (Genma sparring with Ranma, Ranma and
> Akane argument, Ranma flying via Akane-air) which has nothing to do with
> the story.
> 8- Shampoo or Cologne regularly lace Ranma's food with various potions.
> 9- Akane's cooking can: create life, be considered a biohazard, be used
> as an industrial cleaner, etc....
> 10- Shampoo is an airhead.
> 11- Akane bludgeoning Ranma for just calling her uncute, sexless, idiot,
> or jerk once.
specific reason for hitting Ranma.
> 12- All curse forms don't age.
something that is immortal.
> 17- Cologne is evil.
Dont' get me started on the Amazon society. But, Cologne gave up when
she realized just how dangerous Ranma had become.
> 18- Ukyou has no flaws and is completely selfless.
> argument.
> 20- Akane violently attacks anyone for the slightest wrong.
> 21- Akane uses her mallet on a regular basis.
punched. An aborted attempt to hit Ranma was to pick up a nearby chair.
> 22- Nabiki handles the finances of the Tendo home.
> 33- Ranma vulgarly or constantly insulting Akane's cooking.
> 36- Akane loves Ryoga enough to marry him.
> 37- Ranma telling someone his troubles that he doesn't know or trust.
the moment.
> 39- Nabiki giving up her mercenary ways for love.
Ranma & Akane
> 40- Ranma is honorable by _Japanese_ standards.
> 42- Ranma can easily defeat Ryoga or Taro by himself.
> 43- Post- Shi shi hokodan Ryoga attacking Ranma at first sight for
> little or no reason.
> 44- Nabiki is the sole source of income for the Tendo household.
primary source of income.
> 47- Ranma talks openly to Ukyou.
trust Ukyo to not use it against him.
> 50- Akane getting upset at Ranma for the slightest insult to P-Chan.
Akane was informed who P-chan really was.
> 51- Ranma always attacking P-Chan for being with Akane.
P-chan attacked Ranma.
> 53- Soun is a human waterfall.
I think I'm guilty of this one.
> 56- Kasumi says nothing but "Oh, my."
No, she had a talk with Akane and later Nabiki.
> 57- Akane plotting to punish Ryoga for being P-Chan in a cruel
> non-violent fashion.
I don't think taking him to the vet and having him go through ALL the
shots needed for a pet is non-violent.
> 60- Cologne knows just about everything.
She's already admitted she does not know how someone changed Ranma's
cursed form into a genie.
> 62- Kodachi is pathologically insane.
iffy here, but I'm tedning towards obsessive, but still sane.
> 63- Characters using Japanese phrases but speaking English most of the
> time.
I dropped that after Setsuna's Secret
> 63- Ranma speaking perfect English or Japanese.
Speaking fluently in English? yes.
> 64- Ranma and Akane use the "L" word once, and everything goes peachy
> from there. (No more bickering, extra fiancees dropping off without a
> word, no more wandering martial artists, etc....)
They've admitted their feelings, but the problems are still building.
> 65- Ranma is supernaturally fast but has no strength, while Ryoga has
> inhuman strength but no speed.
Disproven in the one fight they had.
> 68- Cursed forms affect the human form.
This is definite for Ranma.
> 69- Techniques make someone automatically better.
I take it you mean learning techniques?
I'm having Ranma learn three styles with their techs.
> 76- Ranma or Ryoga using higher level martial arts techniques (Shi Shi
> Hokodan, Hiryu Shuten Ha) often and in every fight either of them get
> into.
Considering I re-wrote the shishihokodon fight, I have to accept this
one.
> 79- Nabiki will help her family out for no reason other than it needs
> doing.
She wants her sister's trust back.
> 86- Furinkan never holds classes on Saturday and has no school from June
> to August.
I didn't know any better.
> 88- Kasumi is a slut.
No. She's Cutey Honey.
> 95- Ranma can duplicate or at least easily understands any attack he has
> ever seen.
Moot point. He now has a book that has EVERY technique and style in it.
David Johnston
> > > 17- Cologne is evil.
> >
> > Tofu is evil.
>
> Not much evidence for or against. The problem is some of the more
> respected authors made Dr. Tofu evil in some of the more memorable
> ficts. This is on the threashold to become a true cliche, but not yet
> since the newer evil Tofu's were still new with how to implement him.
I have seen five evil Tofus in the last half-year that I can think of.
Evil Tofu is already a cliche.
>
> He looks to become the new 'evil Cologne' of fan ficts though.
> > > #25 Kasumi loves Dr. Tofu: While Kasumi does show interest in Dr. Tofu,
> > > according to Takahashi-sensei, she doesn't love him.
> >
> > One thing unclear in ones like this is whether you are saying that these
> > people are already in love, or come to be in love.
>
> Huh? What are you saying?
I am saying that it is not clear whether you are speaking of Kasumi, for
example, being in love with Tofu (as an ongoing thing) or falling in
love with Tofu (in the fic)
Puma Twins
>>Well, if you add together all of the times that she was kidnapped in
>>the anime and manga...
>>Short list
>>Tarou
>>Kiima
>>Mousse
>>Toma
>>Kirin
>>That's quite a line up. :)
>
>You forgot Principal Kunou.
Thanks. I was sure I was forgetting more than that, but I couldn't remember
who... That's why I added short list to the top. :P
-Matt
General Anime Fan
Allister Huggins
>
> In article <388D24D4...@mich.com>,
> Lord Archive <arc...@mich.com> wrote:
> >> >26- Curses are inheritable.
> >> Not curses, but TRAITS are definitely inherited. Which makes one wonder what
> >> Ranma's kids will be like...or Taro's, for that matter. ;p
> >Yes, Ranma's boys would likely look quite bishonen.
>
>
> The Musk Dynasty is a case of a child of the *cursed* form inheriting traits
> of the *uncursed* form. For it to affect Ranma's or Taro's kids would be
> completely backwards unless you're going to have Ranma get pregnant (and then
> his daughters would be masculine, not the other way around).
Well, one could argue that it would be the same since Mint, Lime and
Herb have fathers and it is really unlikely that Herb's father dunked a
dragon. An interesting premise for a serious fanfic would be "What
happens if Ranma can't have kids because of the curse?"
Allister H
Chris Mattern
"Eshin" <es...@friko5.onet.pl> writes:
> 73-Happosai was handsome in his youth- the lukkosai story shows pictures of
> happi and lucky in their youth, and they do seem to be quite handsome lads,
Well, they each remember *themselves* as being handsome lads.
Happosai remembers himself as being very handsome, but nobody
else (Cologne, Lukkosai) remembers him that way.
Chris Mattern
Chris Mattern
>>66- Tsubasa or Konatsu are gay/semi-gay/going gay.
>
> You COULD make an argument for Konatsu. Not Tsubasa, though.
Actually, it is fairly clear that Konatsu regards himself
as gay. He is, to use the old joke, a lesbian trapped in
a man's body. When he reveals his love for Ukyou (and he
never thought Ukyou was a guy), which was before the fact
that he was a guy was revealed, he spoke of his "forbidden
love", etc.
Chris Mattern
>
Chris Mattern
Blade <kumo...@hotmail.com> writes:
> In article <388BF248...@mich.com>, Lord says...
>>
>>according to Takahashi-sensei, she doesn't love him.
>
At the end of the series, Takahashi drew a big "who loves whom"
chart; Tofu has an arrow indicating that he loves Kasumi, but
there is no return arrow from Kasumi. According to the chart,
the only two couples in the series that love each other are
Ranma and Akane (of course) and Ryouga and Akari.
Chris Mattern
Chris Mattern
Lord Archive <arc...@mich.com> writes:
>
> David Johnston wrote:
>>
>> Lord Archive wrote:
>
>> > 97- Ranma calling Akane, Akane-chan, for any reason.
>>
>> Ranma using any honorifics. Once again, more of a misconception than a
>> cliche.
>
> Ranma has used honorifics to four individuals, Kasumi-san, Kuno-sempai,
> ojisan (Soun), and sensei (Ms. Hinako) so saying he doesn't use them is
> false.
Five. Tofu-sensei.
Chris Mattern
Shadow6865
dragon. An interesting premise for a serious fanfic would be "What
happens if Ranma can't have kids because of the curse?" >>
It was sort of done once. There is a very good but very incomplete fanfic were
Ranma gets to find out what happens if he were to marry any of the girls in the
series. The way he finds out is that his daughters from the future come to the
past and tell the entire crew about how Ranma ended up with their mom. Ranma's
daughter with Akane says that because of the curse Ranma can only have
daughters.
A. Peori
> When I made my own Ranma Fanfic Error List, this was one of them.
>
> The Musk Dynasty is a case of a child of the *cursed* form inheriting traits
> of the *uncursed* form. For it to affect Ranma's or Taro's kids would be
> completely backwards unless you're going to have Ranma get pregnant (and then
> his daughters would be masculine, not the other way around).
You forget the Pheonix Tribe. Their children inherited
traits from Jyusenkyo and their parents did not start out as
animals, the were humans exposed to Jyusenkyo water. An
argument could be made for Shampoo giving birth to literal
cat-girls, Mousse's children being semi-avian and Ryouga's
kids having bovine features (Ranma's children would likely
all be female). They would not actually get the -curse-
however.
----------
Epsilon
Allister Huggins
<snip>
> argument could be made for Shampoo giving birth to literal
> cat-girls, Mousse's children being semi-avian and Ryouga's
> kids having bovine features (Ranma's children would likely
> all be female). They would not actually get the -curse-
> however.
An argument can be made that Ranma can't have children since the mix of
genes might actively cancel each other out.
Still, a nice fanfic would be to see how Ranma deals with having only
girl children given his background and culture. For most of us, I doubt
we would care about the sex of our children but Ranma who is supposed to
be the "manliest of men" not having any male heirs?
Allister H.
David Johnston
Well, there's a simple solution. It's off to Jyusenkyo we go with
little baby Haruma...
Kris Overstreet
wrote:
>Ranma Fanfiction Cliches:
>
A few questions, then...
>4- Ryoga can end up ANYwhere while lost (England, Zimbabwe, El-Hazard,
>etc....)
We know he's been to China and Hokkaido, both of which involve
crossing large bodies of water. China, admittedly, was before the
manga began.
What is the farthest, in manga canon, Ryouga is known to have
'wandered'?
>17- Cologne is evil.
Look up 'Golden Years' in the fanfic archives for my take on this.
>35- Nodoka has no intent on going through with the seppuku agreement.
Then could someone explain volume 36 to me, please?
I mean, -thoroughly- explain it?
Redneck
Shadow6865
What is the farthest, in manga canon, Ryouga is known to have
'wandered'? >>
In the last volume of the manga, Ryouga actually manages to get to Red Square
in Moscow. This is the farthest he has ever gotten to. It is also the only time
he has ever traveled outside of Japan or China in the manga. There is also the
time during the Herb arc when he dies and is at the river Styx.
David Johnston
There's a fanfiction premise. He dies and actually ends up at the river
Styx, instead of the Japanese equivalent. "Theseus...Hey! You're not
Theseus!"
Arnold Kim
----------
In article <388e0941...@news.detnet.com>, red...@detnet.com (Kris
Overstreet) wrote:
>>35- Nodoka has no intent on going through with the seppuku agreement.
>
>Then could someone explain volume 36 to me, please?
>
>I mean, -thoroughly- explain it?
That's easy; Ranma still _acted_ like a man in her eyes, in spite of having
a woman's body. No further explanation really needed.
Arnold Kim
Talen
>>Thanks to Talen, Douglas E. Kulp, Rakhal, Vincent Seifert, Arnold Kim,
>>and Eshin for contributing to the list.
>
>That would explain how Tarou got in there. ;p
>
Hey, there's a grand total of TWO Tarou references in there. Archive's
original draft had ONE of them. I added only *ONE* more, while I had
another two which had him as justification.
Sheesh... I helped write about 40% of that list, though some of my stuff
was hewed back with a dull axe, split into parts, or etc. etc. etc.
Trust me. I was restrained in that one.
In fact, Archive's the one who said that Ranma beating Tarou easily was a
cliche and wrong.
So ner. ;p
> Blade
Talen
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Talen
wrote:
>Lord Archive wrote:
>> 34- Akane is a lesbian.
>
>34b: Everyone is a lesbian.
Hey, Ryouga, Mousse and Happousai are all lesbians! They like girls!!! ^_^
>> 46- Tsubasa constantly stalks Ukyou.
>
>At the time it was a reasonable assumption based on his behaviour
>in the first movie.
This is true.
By the manga, it is notable that he is, however, after AKANE.
>> 52- Konatsu's clan name is Kenzan.
>
><Shrug> Maybe you should make a separate list for misconceptions that
>don't matter. Personally, I doubt anyone groans at hearing about the
>"Kenzan" clan as much as I do on seeing another mallet scene.
*snicker* This list is actually partly a 'moronic mistakes that contradict
manga and anime' and 'things that go over the top thanks to other fanfics'
list.
>> 60- Cologne knows just about everything.
>
>Doesn't she?
She didn't know who Tarou was. ;p
>> 69- Techniques make someone automatically better.
>
>I could use some clarification on that one.
It's cropped up in debates that someone who knows lots of techniques
(Ranma) is automatically better than someone who doesn't use techniques
(Ryouga). Also, some fights in fanfics tend to consist of technique after
technique after technique...
Nobody notices that Ranma manages to dispatch Ryouga in the Bakusai
Tenketsu without using a 'technique', per se (unless you count the Saotome
School Ultimate Technique).
Suffice to say, Ryuu Kumon is the only fighter in the manga who fights
solely with techniques. Shampoo is a capable fighter and she knows a grand
total of two techniques, both specialised techniques for Martial Arts
Takeout and not used in any kind of fight.
>> 71- Taro or Rouge despise their curses.
>
>Never heard of Taro disliking his curse.
Seen it done by Staik, and I remember it elsewhere... I think we're also
trying to nip some cliches in the bud before they get out of control.
>> 72- Genma will do anything for food.
>
>Here's one that bothers me. The assumption that Genma will totally
>abandon his son for any reason.
Yeah... very, very odd, considering the composite views of 21 and 28.
>> 77- Mousse is dumb.
>
>Define "dumb".
Unable to understand that he's got a hold of Akane and not Shampoo despite
being told MULTIPLE times, total inability to understand what Shampoo or
Cologne are plotting, a total inability to handle a lot of really basic
information, and totally unable to see that Shampoo dislikes him - a
long-haired Kuno.
>> 78- Shampoo is not a virgin.
>
>Uh...who claimed that?
Again, Staik, and I've seen her claimed to be experienced elsewhere.
>> 79- Nabiki will help her family out for no reason other than it needs
>> doing.
>
>79b Nabiki will help only for money, (and not for amusement,
>or because her father told her to).
I note that I've not seen her ever plumb Kasumi or Soun for money...
>> 80- Ukyou can get over Ranma sufficiently and quickly enough to be his
>> best man or Akane's maid of honor at his wedding.
>> 81- Kodachi is one of Ranma's fiancees.
>> 82- Ukyou has been waiting for Ranma to have sex with her since she was
>> six.
>
>Huhn?
I was poking fun at Mike Rhea... I didn't expect that one to get in - I was
expecting him to respond "Talen you Jackass" and then I'd laugh at him for
a bit. ^^;;
>> 83- The Neko-Ken is actually useful as a battle technique.
>> 84- Kuno cannot adapt to any situation.
>
>Needs clarification.
They actually go hand in hand - Kuno managed to deactivate the Neko-Ken
pretty effectively on its first outing.
>> 93- Kasumi is a serial murderer. "It's always the nice ones."
>
>Now, now, there was only one story, spamfics aside. Of course, one might
>be enough.
I've seen Kasumi the murderer/martial arts master/minor-level-goddess...
>> 94- Happosai is not evil.
>
>Define "evil".
Er, willing to kill a child for the sake of underwear?
>> 97- Ranma calling Akane, Akane-chan, for any reason.
>
>Ranma using any honorifics. Once again, more of a misconception than a
>cliche.
That was my original idea, but Archive felt it was a bit bulky, because he
does use Honourifics for Soun, Kasumi and Kuno.
>> 100- Anime characterization is the same as manga characterization.
>
>That isn't a cliche.
Yeah it is. There are HEAPS of fics which have Tsubasa and Konatsu; there
are heaps of fics that combine a manga villain with the 'technique' of the
Kachuu Tenshin Amaguriken. There are heaps of otherwhise manga-related
stories which rely on the anime-only idea that onna-Ranma is notably faster
than otoko-Ranma.
>> 102- Nabiki repents for her mercenary ways by doing Christian type good
>> deeds to calm her soul.
>
>Oh come on. Only one story for that. I think you need two before it
>qualifies as a cliche.
A lot of these, I think, were submitted as gags... ^^;;;
>> Note in concerns to certain cliches:
>> #25 Kasumi loves Dr. Tofu: While Kasumi does show interest in Dr. Tofu,
>> according to Takahashi-sensei, she doesn't love him.
>
>One thing unclear in ones like this is whether you are saying that these
>people are already in love, or come to be in love.
Eh, going off Takahashi's claim, it's also kinda easy to snap the "Kasumi =
Dumbo" idea... but that is just theory.
I think it's safe to say that they're not in love right now and leave it at
that. I don't think they could come to love one another, because Kasumi has
obviously known the good doctor for a good while; and she also is not the
megadope she's assumed to be; I think she probably knows he likes her but
leaves it at that.
That's just IMO.
Talen
>Ken Arromdee wrote:
>> When I made my own Ranma Fanfic Error List, this was one of them.
>>
>> The Musk Dynasty is a case of a child of the *cursed* form inheriting traits
>> of the *uncursed* form. For it to affect Ranma's or Taro's kids would be
>> completely backwards unless you're going to have Ranma get pregnant (and then
>> his daughters would be masculine, not the other way around).
>
>You forget the Pheonix Tribe. Their children inherited
>traits from Jyusenkyo and their parents did not start out as
>animals, the were humans exposed to Jyusenkyo water. An
>argument could be made for Shampoo giving birth to literal
>cat-girls, Mousse's children being semi-avian and Ryouga's
>kids having bovine features
Methinks y'mean Porcine. Bovine is cow.
(nitpick, nitpick)
>(Ranma's children would likely
>all be female). They would not actually get the -curse-
>however.
>
>----------
>Epsilon
Disruptor
Ranma the Sailor Senshi
Ryoga the noble one
When people due alternate universes, they just change one thing and
rewrite the first episode almost exactly.
Akane can't do anything right other than hit Ranma
Talen
>In article <388d09e...@netnews.voicenet.com>, schi...@voicenet.com says...
>>
>>Lord Archive <arc...@mich.com> wrote:
>>>Donny Cheng wrote:
>>>> Some cliches that were not mentioned:
>>>> 107) Followup to 106 usually, Akane the super fighter due to some
>>>> training with someone of great ability like Ranma, Ryoga, or Cologne.
>>>
>>>Akane the super fighter period.
>>Well, there is canon to support the concept. Akane has a very high
>>level of potential (Battle Dougi story).
>
>That was her ultimate potential though, and it wasn't even as high as Happousai
>or Cologne are in their current, relatively feeble condition.
>
>It's about what one would expect from a martial artist who is superior in her
>world, but not a prodigy on the level of Ranma.
An example being that Ryouga, at the true, upper limit of his strength, was
strong enough to KO Ranma with a touch of his finger.
>>The real cliche is that she could reach those levels relatively
>>easily. Or maybe that she WOULD (try to) reach them at all. Martial
>>arts are a secondary concern for Akane, at best, and it'd take a fair
>>amount of character development to get her to the point where she'd
>>even consider devoting herself to that kind of training.
>
>Quite. And it would probably take her decades, at least, to reach that point.
Indeed. Not a few sparring matches with Ryouga.
>>But given that, plus a few years... it could happen. <shrug>
>
>The usual cliche, tho, is that Akane will learn extraordinarily fast when she
>-does- train, which is true in the anime, I suppose (Natsume/Kurumi) but has no
>particular basis in the manga.
>
> Blade
Which is one of the reasons that that particular episode bugs me. That and
the botched application of the Hiryuu Shoten Ha.
Talen
>Shadow6865 <shado...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> <<
>> 1- Manga female Ranma has red hair. >>
>>
>> If one is a true purest than this is a cliche but I think it is perfectly
>> acceptable to write a manga based Ranma fanfic were onna-Ranma has red hair. It
>> provides for better descriptions and also gives Ranma's female form more
>> differances than his male form.
>
>Now that's an interesting position - the two Ranmas should have
>different hair colours to make them different. It begs a question,
>though: Why should the two Ranmas be at all different, other than in
>gender? They're two forms of the _same_ person. One would expect the
>two forms to be as similar as possible, not remarkably different...
>
><remainder snipped>
You may notice that anime-Nodoka has a rather different shade of her hair
than manga-Nodoka's plain black. In fact, if Ranma had been born a girl
(with the usual higgle-piggle and unrealistic genetics that is used in most
mass media), it would not be that far a stretch to have her have red hair.
However, in the manga, since both Nodoka and Genma have black hair, and all
the genetics entailed therein, I see no reason for onna-Ranma to have red
hair. I use it in fanfic because it's become the norm.
David Johnston
>
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:41:23 GMT, David Johnston <rgo...@telusplanet.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Lord Archive wrote:
> >> 34- Akane is a lesbian.
> >
> >34b: Everyone is a lesbian.
>
> Hey, Ryouga, Mousse and Happousai are all lesbians! They like girls!!! ^_^
I've seen them all as girls in various fanfic, so they qualify.
However "Everyone is a lesbian" seems to be a general anime fanfic cliche.
Sailor Moon, anyone?
>
> >> 46- Tsubasa constantly stalks Ukyou.
> >
> >At the time it was a reasonable assumption based on his behaviour
> >in the first movie.
>
> This is true.
>
> By the manga, it is notable that he is, however, after AKANE.
Ranma. He almost goes after Akane, but Akane manages to escape that fate.
> Nobody notices that Ranma manages to dispatch Ryouga in the Bakusai
> Tenketsu without using a 'technique', per se (unless you count the Saotome
> School Ultimate Technique).
>
> Suffice to say, Ryuu Kumon is the only fighter in the manga who fights
> solely with techniques. Shampoo is a capable fighter and she knows a grand
> total of two techniques, both specialised techniques for Martial Arts
> Takeout and not used in any kind of fight.
Oh, you mean _named_ techniques. I'd certainly call Shampoo's pressure point
trick mind control trick a technique even if it isn't named. Come to think of it
doesn't the memory trick have a name?
> >> 78- Shampoo is not a virgin.
> >
> >Uh...who claimed that?
>
> Again, Staik, and I've seen her claimed to be experienced elsewhere.
Yes, but it's hardly a cliche, and we don't _know_ she's a virgin. It just
doesn't seem likely that she isn't.
>
> >> 79- Nabiki will help her family out for no reason other than it needs
> >> doing.
> >
> >79b Nabiki will help only for money, (and not for amusement,
> >or because her father told her to).
>
> I note that I've not seen her ever plumb Kasumi or Soun for money...
I've never seen her help Kasumi either. She has tried to help put Ranma and
Akane together and there was no mention of how she was profiting. However when
Ukyo offered her money to stop, she did. But she did once try to help
Akane, when she thought that Ranma might be about to hurt her.
> >> 83- The Neko-Ken is actually useful as a battle technique.
> >> 84- Kuno cannot adapt to any situation.
> >
> >Needs clarification.
>
> They actually go hand in hand - Kuno managed to deactivate the Neko-Ken
> pretty effectively on its first outing.
Yes but I doubt that it were saying that Kuno can adapt to absolutely any
situation. "Kuno can't think" might be another way of phrasing this cliche.
> >> 94- Happosai is not evil.
> >
> >Define "evil".
>
> Er, willing to kill a child for the sake of underwear?
When was that?
>
> >> 97- Ranma calling Akane, Akane-chan, for any reason.
> >
> >Ranma using any honorifics. Once again, more of a misconception than a
> >cliche.
>
> That was my original idea, but Archive felt it was a bit bulky, because he
> does use Honourifics for Soun, Kasumi and Kuno.
Kuno doesn't count.
>
> >> 100- Anime characterization is the same as manga characterization.
> >
> >That isn't a cliche.
>
> Yeah it is. There are HEAPS of fics which have Tsubasa and Konatsu; there
That's because Tsubasa and Konatsu were both in the manga.
> are heaps of fics that combine a manga villain with the 'technique' of the
> Kachuu Tenshin Amaguriken. There are heaps of otherwhise manga-related
> stories which rely on the anime-only idea that onna-Ranma is notably faster
> than otoko-Ranma.
Yes, but that doesn't make it a cliche. It isn't a single over-used plot element.
It's just a choice that many make, and many disagree with. You might as well write
"Ranma is OOC" as a cliche.
> >Oh come on. Only one story for that. I think you need two before it
> >qualifies as a cliche.
>
> A lot of these, I think, were submitted as gags... ^^;;;
Now that I think about it, Nabiki has had attacks of the guilts on another
occasion that I recall.
Chris Schack
<snip>
>> >63- Characters using Japanese phrases but speaking English most of the
>> >time.
>>
>> Some people don't like this, but it's a common practice in professional novels
>> that have Japanese people. It's not literarily "wrong".
>
>The extent of use can be a problem though. When you need to put a
>dictionary at the end of a fict to detail what twenty plus Japanese
>words meant, they really shouldn't be there.
Then again, some are needed sometimes, and footnotes are always a
problem. It's a pain to go look them up, so it's best to keep it
to a minimum, but something like "omiai" may well be needed.
>> >66- Tsubasa or Konatsu are gay/semi-gay/going gay.
>>
>> You COULD make an argument for Konatsu. Not Tsubasa, though.
>
>Several bad ficts pairing Konatsu and Tsubasa tend to leave a bad taste
>in your mouth.
I don't think I want to know just what that bad taste is...
Chris Schack
Talen
wrote:
>Talen wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:41:23 GMT, David Johnston <rgo...@telusplanet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Lord Archive wrote:
>> >> 34- Akane is a lesbian.
>> >
>> >34b: Everyone is a lesbian.
>>
>> Hey, Ryouga, Mousse and Happousai are all lesbians! They like girls!!! ^_^
>
>I've seen them all as girls in various fanfic, so they qualify.
>However "Everyone is a lesbian" seems to be a general anime fanfic cliche.
>Sailor Moon, anyone?
*snicker* No comment.
>>
>> >> 46- Tsubasa constantly stalks Ukyou.
>> >
>> >At the time it was a reasonable assumption based on his behaviour
>> >in the first movie.
>>
>> This is true.
>>
>> By the manga, it is notable that he is, however, after AKANE.
>
>Ranma. He almost goes after Akane, but Akane manages to escape that fate.
Nope, because he gives up on Ranma when he finds he's really a guy.
>> Nobody notices that Ranma manages to dispatch Ryouga in the Bakusai
>> Tenketsu without using a 'technique', per se (unless you count the Saotome
>> School Ultimate Technique).
>>
>> Suffice to say, Ryuu Kumon is the only fighter in the manga who fights
>> solely with techniques. Shampoo is a capable fighter and she knows a grand
>> total of two techniques, both specialised techniques for Martial Arts
>> Takeout and not used in any kind of fight.
>
>Oh, you mean _named_ techniques. I'd certainly call Shampoo's pressure point
>trick mind control trick a technique even if it isn't named. Come to think of it
>doesn't the memory trick have a name?
Yep, my error - the Xa Fa Xiang Gao.
>> >> 78- Shampoo is not a virgin.
>> >
>> >Uh...who claimed that?
>>
>> Again, Staik, and I've seen her claimed to be experienced elsewhere.
>
>Yes, but it's hardly a cliche, and we don't _know_ she's a virgin. It just
>doesn't seem likely that she isn't.
Then there's the stuff Staick mentioned. The original, I proposed was that
ANYONE was sexually experienced in Ranma 1/2 - Ranma the master lover, for
example, and that Akane and Ranma's first time be so amazingly wonderful
the stars fall from the sky - is what I objected to. Archive trimmed it as
he saw fit.
>> >> 79- Nabiki will help her family out for no reason other than it needs
>> >> doing.
>> >
>> >79b Nabiki will help only for money, (and not for amusement,
>> >or because her father told her to).
>>
>> I note that I've not seen her ever plumb Kasumi or Soun for money...
>
>I've never seen her help Kasumi either. She has tried to help put Ranma and
>Akane together and there was no mention of how she was profiting. However when
>Ukyo offered her money to stop, she did. But she did once try to help
>Akane, when she thought that Ranma might be about to hurt her.
IIRC, Nabiki got paid by Akane - at what was probably a moderate rate.
>> >> 83- The Neko-Ken is actually useful as a battle technique.
>> >> 84- Kuno cannot adapt to any situation.
>> >
>> >Needs clarification.
>>
>> They actually go hand in hand - Kuno managed to deactivate the Neko-Ken
>> pretty effectively on its first outing.
>
>Yes but I doubt that it were saying that Kuno can adapt to absolutely any
>situation. "Kuno can't think" might be another way of phrasing this cliche.
... it's not saying he can adapt to everything. It's showing he can't NOT
adapt to any situation.
>> >> 94- Happosai is not evil.
>> >
>> >Define "evil".
>>
>> Er, willing to kill a child for the sake of underwear?
>
>When was that?
Issue 18. Also note that that issues shows him at his lower points; see 23,
where it shows him again, make statements about his moral alignment. And
note his actions in the beachside story, where he refuses to give the
heirloom back simply because it IS an heirloom.
>>
>> >> 97- Ranma calling Akane, Akane-chan, for any reason.
>> >
>> >Ranma using any honorifics. Once again, more of a misconception than a
>> >cliche.
>>
>> That was my original idea, but Archive felt it was a bit bulky, because he
>> does use Honourifics for Soun, Kasumi and Kuno.
>
>Kuno doesn't count.
Still, it's an honourific, which is something Archive nitted me on.
>> >> 100- Anime characterization is the same as manga characterization.
>> >
>> >That isn't a cliche.
>>
>> Yeah it is. There are HEAPS of fics which have Tsubasa and Konatsu; there
>
>That's because Tsubasa and Konatsu were both in the manga.
As recurring characters.
>> are heaps of fics that combine a manga villain with the 'technique' of the
>> Kachuu Tenshin Amaguriken. There are heaps of otherwhise manga-related
>> stories which rely on the anime-only idea that onna-Ranma is notably faster
>> than otoko-Ranma.
>
>Yes, but that doesn't make it a cliche. It isn't a single over-used plot element.
>It's just a choice that many make, and many disagree with. You might as well write
>"Ranma is OOC" as a cliche.
I don't know why I'm defending this one, since Archive came up with it on
his own... ;p
>> >Oh come on. Only one story for that. I think you need two before it
>> >qualifies as a cliche.
>>
>> A lot of these, I think, were submitted as gags... ^^;;;
>
>Now that I think about it, Nabiki has had attacks of the guilts on another
>occasion that I recall.
I mean, a LOT of the cliches were aiming at specific fics. ;p
Donny Cheng
Disruptor wrote:
>
> Here's a few more:
> Ranma the Sailor Senshi
Any female Ranma 1/2 cast member as the Sailor Senshi
> Ryoga the noble one
>
> When people due alternate universes, they just change one thing and
> rewrite the first episode almost exactly.
Or change one thing and add things that logically would not have
effected the Ranmaverse so drastically such as the inclusion of anime
from other series.
> Akane can't do anything right other than hit Ranma
Another few more:
Ranma gathers everyone around to announce a decision.
Shampoo, Mousse, and Cologne are incorrectly called Xian Pu, Mu Tse (or
Mu Tze), and Ku Lon. The incorrect use of Chinese could be also
considered.
Some Ranma char falls in love with SI char. Though this should really
be part of 38, but it doesn't list either Kasumi, Nabiki, Kodachi or
Ryoga. 38 was: Ranma, Akane, Shampoo, Mousse, or Ukyou easily falling
in love with someone other than their current love.
Ranma despises Genma to the point of not caring if he was no longer a
Saotome.
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Allister Huggins
>
> Disruptor wrote:
<snip>
> > When people due alternate universes, they just change one thing and
> > rewrite the first episode almost exactly.
>
> Or change one thing and add things that logically would not have
> effected the Ranmaverse so drastically such as the inclusion of anime
> from other series.
There are a lot of bad fanfics which use this method. I'm kind of
partial to "Love Letters From the Edge" though.
Allister H.
Donny Cheng
*Nods* That was one example of a fic where everything that flows from
the one change is plausible.
> Allister H.
Shadow6865
Here are more cliches:
1. All of the author's favorite anime and manga series occur in the same
universe and the Ranma cast has knowledge of them,
2. Ranma and gang are huge anime and manga, star trek, and gaming fans (i.e
they are all Otaku)
3. The fanfic contains more anime and other geek refrences than humanly
possible (I am going to scream if I see one more fanfic with a Monty Python,
Star Trek, or AD&D in joke)
Shadow6865
Here are more cliches, I have thought of:
1. Ranma decides to marry one of the four girls and the other three the get
the short end of the stick instantly become pyscho bitches.
2. Cologne tries to kill Akane or any other girl that Ranma decides to marry.
3. Genma and Soun always constantly yell at Ranma for anything that goes
wrong in his relationship with Akane.
4. Common names for other amazon women are: perfume, lotion, and others.
5. Ranma gets freqeuntly knocked into LEO.
6. Whenever Ranma goes flying he either lands at the school, ucchans, or the
Nekohaten.
7. Ryouga suddenly decides that Akari loves him only because he turns into a
pig. This one comes because very few people actually seem to like Akari. I am
one of those few Akari fans.
8. Ranma is burakumin and none of the girls, save Shampoo want to marry him
and suddenly become disgusted by him because he is burakumin. Besides "A
Village Tale" by ?? and "Poison" by Susan D, there are very few good burakumin
fics around.
9. Genma abandons Ranma after either the Nekoken or Jusenkyo incidents and
Ranma is raised by someone else usually the Amazons or Tenchi's grandfather.
10. Ranma and Tenchi Masaki are cousins.
11. Nodoka is a descendant of Himura Kenshin.
12. Ranma gets fed up with the fiancee situation and runs away and is
followed by Akane or one of the other girls. The girl yells at Ranma and Ranma
in a moment of guilt eother decides to take the girl with him or return and
become offcial with said girl.
13. Ryouga really loves onna-Ranma.
Allister Huggins
>
> Allister Huggins wrote:
> >
> > Donny Cheng wrote:
> > >
> > > Disruptor wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > > When people due alternate universes, they just change one thing and
> > > > rewrite the first episode almost exactly.
In a lot of these alternate universes, the only common thing is that
the Kunos are still the Kunos. Really, if I read another alternate
fanfic where it starts off with "Ranma's/ Ranko's/ ANC's first day at
school and s/he beats up Kuno" it will be too soon.
> > > Or change one thing and add things that logically would not have
> > > effected the Ranmaverse so drastically such as the inclusion of anime
> > > from other series.
> >
> > There are a lot of bad fanfics which use this method. I'm kind of
> > partial to "Love Letters From the Edge" though.
>
> *Nods* That was one example of a fic where everything that flows from
> the one change is plausible.
It helped that Genma bit the big one. Heh.
Another good alternate universe fic is Richard Lawson's seminal Kodachi
work, "Roses of Shadow" which is basically a "What if Ranma had lost the
gymnastics match?"
Allister H.
Allister Huggins
>
> Here are more cliches, I have thought of:
I'm not sure the following are actual clichés though.
<snip>
> 7. Ryouga suddenly decides that Akari loves him only because he turns into a
> pig. This one comes because very few people actually seem to like Akari. I am
> one of those few Akari fans.
Well, to those of us who aren't that hot on Akari, there seems to be
only two reasons why Akari does love Ryouga
1. He beat her pet pig.
2. He turns into a pig.
The girl is just plain creepy. She scares me more than Kodachi does
frankly.
> 8. Ranma is burakumin and none of the girls, save Shampoo want to marry him
> and suddenly become disgusted by him because he is burakumin. Besides "A
Er, from what I understand of japanese culture, the more traditional
the family, the greater the likelihood that burakumin status will cause
grief.
> Village Tale" by ?? and "Poison" by Susan D, there are very few good burakumin
> fics around.
Village Tale is by Adrian Wong.
Allister H.
HKMiller
> In article <388C591E...@ottawa.com>, Rob says...
> >
> >Lord Archive <arc...@mich.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ranma Fanfiction Cliches:
> >
> >> 44- Nabiki is the sole source of income for the Tendo household.
> >
> >Well, where else does the money come from? Kasumi and Soun are almost
> >always at home, and Akane's still in school... Suggestions, anyone?
>
> Family wealth, obviously. Look at the SIZE of that house.
I tend to agree. For Japan, the Tendo house is very large. It's quite
plausible that there are family investments which keep some money
flowing in.
>
>
> ><snip>
> >> 51- Ranma always attacking P-Chan for being with Akane.
> >If it's an "early Ranma" story, this one's justified, IMHO...
>
> -Very- early.
>
> >> 81- Kodachi is one of Ranma's fiancees.
> >Well, she seems to think she is...
>
> She's never been called or called herself one.
Right. In the Vol 25 Hinako intro story, while Ukyou says "Ranchan is
my fiancee" and Shampoo says "Ranma is my husband (or prospective
husband)", Kodachi says merely "Ranma is mine".
There's another occasion, I think the Kuno sibling conflict story,
where Kodachi puts a sign on Ranma which says "My object"
or "mine".
TheLastOrbot
> excessive repetition.
>
> Fanfiction cliche: anything that lacks freshness and was not a
> continuous part of the original series, particularly if it goes
against
> canon.
>
> Of course some things you can't avoid in stories that have been beaten
> into the ground (Ranma giving Ukyou THE talk about Akane), there are
> many points that can usually be avoided but get used excessively
despite
> that. Not to mention most of the points listed have no canon evidence
to
> support them, or even have been shown to not be possible. There are
some
> points that are not disproven by canon and can be legitimately be used
> in any fanfict; however, they've been used repeatedly and it would
take
> a talented author to breathe new life into many of the points listed
> below.
>
> Take for example Nabiki using a gun. It is a stretch for her
> characterization, but in the proper situation she would likely use
one.
> If this happens in a couple dozen ficts, it might be considered
cliched.
> Now have Nabiki always carrying a gun or Ranma using one, both stretch
> believability to the point of breaking. A half dozen ficts using
either
> of these points would make it cliched as not only has it been
repeated,
> it has violated characterization and Japanese society.
>
Oh, come on. If every fanfic was just like it exactly was in the
comics or anime, then it would become boring and predictable after
awhile. I mean, what's wrong with doing something a little different?
Of course, I mainly felt compelled to respond mainly since in my works,
Ranma does use a gun. If myself and my fans like it, then what
business is it of yours?
> I have compiled this list to help new authors to avoid cliches that
have
> been overly used and in many cases incorrect in regards to canon. This
> is not to attack any author or to dishearten any who want to attempt
> writing. Every author has made mistakes with their work, and I am no
> exception. If you think you can do something new with something on
this
> list, go ahead- it might end up being one of the best fan ficts ever
> written.
>
> Remember, you are the most important reader to your own work, since
you
> will most likely be your harshest critic. If you like what you've
> written, it doesn't matter what others think.
And so now you posted this topic because.....?
If writers want to make it that Ranma drives around in a tank, Nabiki
takes up stamp collecting, Mousse gets contact lenses, someone falls
into the spring of the drowned three-toed sloth, or so forth, then they
should write it.
Personally speaking, I always thought Kuno and Nabiki made a good
couple. I have discussed it in a past post so I won't repeat it here.
Kasumi doesn't have to be an airhead. In fact, in lots of fics, she
becomes interested in medicine and becomes a doctor. Nor does Ukyo
have to be some lovesick kid or whatever. That's left up to the
imagination of the writer.
Akane is kind of an uncivilized savage since she gets angry easy. I
don't like it how she picks on Ranma for every little thing. But it
may sound like a contradiction when I say this, but I just can't view
Ranma with any other of his suitors or any other female character in
the series (not counting the Elseworlds series). I firmly believe that
Ranma and Akane are the only clear couple in the series. Second would
probably be Ryoga and Akari. And perhaps Kuno and Nabiki. But I can't
see pairings up with the other characters.
Of course, Kuno is largely portrayed as a mindless idiot who is used as
a human punching bag by Ranma (and sometimes Akane). I wonder what
would happen if I were to give him a Qwardian power ring......
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> In article <c3qo8sk046eemkrin...@4ax.com>, puma...@aol.communist
> says...
> >
> >On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 14:20:32 GMT, Donny Cheng <che...@home.com>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>110) Akane the hostage.
> >
> >Well, if you add together all of the times that she was kidnapped in
> >the anime and manga...
> >
> >Short list
> >Tarou
> >Kiima
> >Mousse
> >Toma
> >Kirin
>
> You forgot Principal Kunou.
>
> However, four times in a 38-volume manga (and she freed HERSELF every single
> time, was never saved by Ranma) goes much against the cliche.
>
One other missing from the list: Lime. And Akane did NOT free herself from
Lime; he carried her to the Nekohanten and put her down.
Chris Schack
tal...@optusnet.comb.au (Talen) wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 03:06:05 GMT, David Johnston <rgo...@telusplanet.net>
>wrote:
<snip>
>>I've seen them all as girls in various fanfic, so they qualify.
>>However "Everyone is a lesbian" seems to be a general anime fanfic cliche.
>>Sailor Moon, anyone?
>
>*snicker* No comment.
On AFSM, there are a few in-jokes that can lead to this conclusion.
a) Everybody is Mamoru (not that well known)
b) Setsuna, specifically, is Mamoru
By b), Mamoru, being in love with Usagi, is a lesbian, therefore, by a),
everybody is. I know it's silly, but...
Then there's the bit about Chibi-Usa's actual parents, and the thread
about the REAL villians (first appearance of "Saint Zoisite")...
CHris Schack
Chris Schack
<snip>
Some of those were reasonable as cliches, some I'd call iffy, but this one:
> 11. Nodoka is a descendant of Himura Kenshin.
I've seen that ONCE. What fics is it in? Once isn't enough.
Chris Schack
David Johnston
>
> Disruptor wrote:
> >
> > Ranma the Sailor Senshi
>
> Any female Ranma 1/2 cast member as the Sailor Senshi
>
> > Ryoga the noble one
> >
> > rewrite the first episode almost exactly.
>
> effected the Ranmaverse so drastically such as the inclusion of anime
> from other series.
That assumes they weren't always there. Ranma lives in a universe
filled with magic, super-martial-arts and even supertechnology, since
Gosunkugi managed to get his hands on a mail-order-suit of powered
armour. Most of it, we've never seen so it doesn't exist until someone
writes a scene that takes Ranma to a place like Minato-ku, so how do we
know that Minato-ku isn't full of Sailor Senshi and their wacky
opponents?
David Johnston
>
> Here are more cliches, I have thought of:
>
> the short end of the stick instantly become pyscho bitches.
Right. Don't you just get tired of Ranma and Akane being about to get married
and the other fiancees trashing the place? Where did that cliche come from,
anyway? As a cliche it ranks up there with Ranma accepting any martial arts
challenge no matter how stupid.
Ok, maybe I'm being a little too sarcastic there. But honestly, they leveled
Nodoka's home because they thought Ranma was giving Akane an engagement ring,
and they blew up his wedding. These are not good losers.
Lord Archive
Different from the original, no. It's new and fresh and is easily more
entertaining. Ten fan ficts repeating something that wasn't in the
original series and is actually against canon is a different matter
entirely as it is likely not fresh or new and tiresome.
> > I have compiled this list to help new authors to avoid cliches that
> have
> > been overly used and in many cases incorrect in regards to canon. This
> > is not to attack any author or to dishearten any who want to attempt
> > writing. Every author has made mistakes with their work, and I am no
> > exception. If you think you can do something new with something on
> this
> > list, go ahead- it might end up being one of the best fan ficts ever
> > written.
> >
> > Remember, you are the most important reader to your own work, since
> you
> > will most likely be your harshest critic. If you like what you've
> > written, it doesn't matter what others think.
>
> And so now you posted this topic because.....?
Because once you post it to an audiance they will also have their say.
If you repeat something that's been done to death and isn't in canon,
you can bet people will either delete or respond negitively to your
work.
> If writers want to make it that Ranma drives around in a tank, Nabiki
> takes up stamp collecting, Mousse gets contact lenses, someone falls
> into the spring of the drowned three-toed sloth, or so forth, then they
> should write it.
Not arguing against it at all. Though for each of these there should be
reasons for these. If Ranma is forced into the army and is sent to the
tank division can be an interesting read. If Ranma out of the blue wants
to get a tank to blow up Nerima, you might enjoy it, if it's silly
enough people will laugh at it, but if it's otherwise serious fict- a
good portion of your audiance may wonder if you've read Ranma and delete
it.
> Personally speaking, I always thought Kuno and Nabiki made a good
> couple. I have discussed it in a past post so I won't repeat it here.
I like them as a couple too, but they aren't a couple yet. It something
that would have to be developed to make it work. Not Kuno spouting how
he's awakened to his 'goddess of yen' and Nabiki gleefully jumping into
his arms with no intent to rob him blind.
> Kasumi doesn't have to be an airhead. In fact, in lots of fics, she
> becomes interested in medicine and becomes a doctor. Nor does Ukyo
> have to be some lovesick kid or whatever. That's left up to the
> imagination of the writer.
Yes, the imagination of the writer, but there is only so much the writer
can strech believability before it snaps and the author loses readers.
> Akane is kind of an uncivilized savage since she gets angry easy. I
> don't like it how she picks on Ranma for every little thing. But it
> may sound like a contradiction when I say this, but I just can't view
> Ranma with any other of his suitors or any other female character in
> the series (not counting the Elseworlds series). I firmly believe that
> Ranma and Akane are the only clear couple in the series. Second would
> probably be Ryoga and Akari. And perhaps Kuno and Nabiki. But I can't
> see pairings up with the other characters.
>
> Of course, Kuno is largely portrayed as a mindless idiot who is used as
> a human punching bag by Ranma (and sometimes Akane). I wonder what
> would happen if I were to give him a Qwardian power ring......
<shudder>
Anyways, I have nothing against anyone using new ideas that aren't in
the manga. Kuno becoming a bad-ass through some means and beats up
everyone can be quite entertaining. I don't think I've seen any thing
like that. A couple dozen ficts where Kuno beats up everyone, however,
would get old hat and a new writer hoping for readership would be helped
to steer away from using it unless he really wants to use it.
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Puma Twins wrote:
>
> Hehehe... for someone who hasn't read Ranma in a few years, I seem to be
> joining into alot of Ranma arguments. ^^;;
>
> I must be weak willed. :)
>
Or at least don't have much of a life.
My life is work, anime, and fan fiction so you can guess why get into
these arguments.
> >
> >Ranma Fanfiction Cliches:
> >
> >1- Manga female Ranma has red hair.
>
> Heh, she does on some of the covers. Also she's had purple hair and green hair
> that I can remember. :)
However in the colored manga pages of the first four chapters of the
series female Ranma's hair was black.
> >2- Ms. Tendo's name is Kimiko.
>
> I haven't seen this one myself, but I don't run the fanfiction circles much.
> When did this one start coming up?
It's an old one that gets brought up every once in a while.
> >3- Ranma always wins.
>
> But he's the hero. :)
The hero doesn't always win. The only guaranteed win is when it is
vitally important that they do- not just for themselves but for others.
> >5- Mousse can defeat Shampoo to marry her.
>
> What if he became an outsider?
Then he could. But I've lost count of the ficts that do not remove him
from the tribe and yet still allow him to follow that rule which applies
specifically to outsiders only.
> >17- Cologne is evil.
>
> But of course. She plans on taking over the world by collecting the largest
> number of freaks and weirdo's possible and having them overthrow ever major
> government. Didn't you know that? :)
Of course the majority of freaks and weirdoes are highly intelligent
geeks and/or hackers who can take over the world by seizing control of
lines of communications and develop lots of new technologies. Too bad
most of us... er... them can't get a date to save their life.
> >18- Ukyou has no flaws and is completely selfless.
>
> What less to expect from a Spatula carring woman who crossdresses and seeks
> revenge for a past misgiving. They are all selfless and have no flaws. :)
Of course....
> >26- Curses are inheritable.
>
> Well, there was that one anime episode with Ryouga and Akane...
That was part of Ranma's nightmare and the Jusenkyo curse being
inheritable would be a nightmare to Ranma.
> >27- Akane is the only one to use mallets.
>
> How about the belief that only female characters can use mallets. What do Soun
> and Ataru use then?
Or Ranma, Ryoga, Genma, or....
> >34- Akane is a lesbian.
> >35- Nodoka has no intent on going through with the seppuku agreement.
>
> Of course not, he's such a manly man for turning a lesbian to "the right path"™
> :)
Why else would she forgive 'Ranko' so easily.
> >36- Akane loves Ryoga enough to marry him.
>
> Again, there is the anime episode so not totally fanfic cliche.
Again this was Ranma having a nightmare, and having pig-boy marry the
girl he loves would be it. This also notes a divergence point in Ranma's
characterization since part of him believes the dream was real.
> >37- Ranma telling someone his troubles that he doesn't know or trust.
>
> Ranma talking about his feeling period :P
He has told Akane his feelings, somewhat, and they had to pulled from
him. He just didn't come out and say she 'cute' or that he 'didn't want
her to see him so weak,' the chance of losing Akane caused him to say
it.
> >45- Shampoo helping anyone but Ranma for no reason.
>
> Cologne?
Should be added since Cologne would hurt Shampoo if she didn't help
around the Nekohanten.
> >49- Mousse has everything, and I mean _everything_, hidden in his robes
> >(Jimmy Hoffa's drivers' license, Happosai's panty collection, kitchen
> >sink, Holy Grail, and everything else you can imagine)
>
> He doesn't? The heck you say! :)
Where would he get all those interesting toys?
> >52- Konatsu's clan name is Kenzan.
>
> Better than him being part of the Kasumi's or even worse, the Hiryu. :P
Huh?
> >53- Soun is a human waterfall.
>
> Except when he wearing samurai armour?
> I think that was more anime Soun as well.
Soun wore his armor a few time in the manga, when he was REALLY pissed.
Of course he does that 'he's not Nabiki's father,' since she won't admit
it.
> >56- Kasumi says nothing but "Oh, my."
>
> Or "ara" as the case may be. At least it's not as bad as Kenshin with "Oro" or
> Chichiri with "no da"
At least they're usually funny when they do it.
> >58- Ryoga is in love with Ukyou and vice versa.
>
> Hey, if you go by the Tunnel of Lost Love story, then they are suppose to hate
> each other now. :P
Not that would be an interesting fict where Ryoga and Ukyou loath each
other do to the tunnel.
> >60- Cologne knows just about everything.
>
> And what she doesn't know, Tofu or Nabiki knows. :)
"The seven cities of gold? I know where only four are." Cologne points
out the spots.
Tofu nods. "I knew of one of those, but I also know where two others
are. Here and here."
Nabiki points at the map. "There's number seven. I get to keep
everything other than the XXXX magical item you guys need to save
Akane."
> >63- Characters using Japanese phrases but speaking English most of the
> >time.
>
> Boku have no idea what Kimi are talking about Archive-san.
Honto?
> >66- Tsubasa or Konatsu are gay/semi-gay/going gay.
>
> That's why they both claim to hate guys, they are trying to stay in the closet.
> :)
Hai ;)
> >69- Techniques make someone automatically better.
>
> That seems to be someone elses thinking as well...
"Here's a stick kitty. Go fetch!" Kuno grinned evilly.
"Meowr!" Ranma replied happily.
> >72- Genma will do anything for food.
>
> ...and "Two" pickles! :)
Either Genma stole the meal or his son, take your pick.
> >73- Happosai was handsome in his youth.
>
> Did you read the Happosai/Lukkosai manga story, that was the funniest looking
> thing I've every seen. :)
Imagination is such a lovely thing and those two had it in spades.
Neither of them ever looked handsome.
> >74- Cologne was ugly in her youth.
>
> People say that?
I don't know why they would considering she looked like Shampoo back
then. Kind of makes to shudder when you think of what Shampoo will look
like it 50+ years.
> >77- Mousse is dumb.
>
> In what sense? :)
Ficts that have Mousse's most complex thoughts as:
Drool. "Shampoo I love you!" Scowl. "Ranma die!" Clean table.
And yet he learned how to speak Japanese in a _LOT_ less time than it
took Shampoo. Hell, quicker than I learned French. Oh wait, I didn't
exactly learn it as drudged through two years of it.
> >79- Nabiki will help her family out for no reason other than it needs
> >doing.
>
> There was the one time during the Ranma/Akane date...
If Ranma did his 'horrible revenge' on Akane instead of Nabiki, Akane
might have dumped Ranma for good leaving Nabiki as the defacto fiancee
and in worlds of hurt. Of course the 'horrible revenge' was lame so it
didn't matter.
> >86- Furinkan never holds classes on Saturday and has no school from June
> >to August.
> >87- Furinkan has four grade levels.
>
> Some people don't know the Japanese schooling system. You can't expect every
> person who writes Ranma fiction to know about it. :P
Knowing about it is one thing, blindly assuming they follow the same
structure as American school is another.
> >92- Ranma can turn down a challenge.
>
> Heh. :)
"I'll be the unmaniliest man just to defeat Mousse!" And, by George, he
did. He better hoped Nodoka never finds out about it.
> >93- Kasumi is a serial murderer. "It's always the nice ones."
>
> I like that one...
Well its true!
> >100- Anime characterization is the same as manga characterization.
>
> But of course. :)
Different writers, and for the anime- mostly hacks.
Perfect Chaos
> have
> > been overly used and in many cases incorrect in regards to canon. This
> > is not to attack any author or to dishearten any who want to attempt
> > writing. Every author has made mistakes with their work, and I am no
> > exception. If you think you can do something new with something on
> this
> > list, go ahead- it might end up being one of the best fan ficts ever
> > written.
> >
> > Remember, you are the most important reader to your own work, since
> you
> > will most likely be your harshest critic. If you like what you've
> > written, it doesn't matter what others think.
>
> And so now you posted this topic because.....?
>
> takes up stamp collecting, Mousse gets contact lenses, someone falls
> into the spring of the drowned three-toed sloth, or so forth, then they
> should write it.
>
> couple. I have discussed it in a past post so I won't repeat it here.
> becomes interested in medicine and becomes a doctor. Nor does Ukyo
> have to be some lovesick kid or whatever. That's left up to the
> imagination of the writer.
>
> don't like it how she picks on Ranma for every little thing. But it
> may sound like a contradiction when I say this, but I just can't view
> Ranma with any other of his suitors or any other female character in
> the series (not counting the Elseworlds series). I firmly believe that
> Ranma and Akane are the only clear couple in the series. Second would
> probably be Ryoga and Akari. And perhaps Kuno and Nabiki. But I can't
> see pairings up with the other characters.
>
> Of course, Kuno is largely portrayed as a mindless idiot who is used as
> a human punching bag by Ranma (and sometimes Akane). I wonder what
> would happen if I were to give him a Qwardian power ring......
You'd have a mindless idiot who is used as a human punching bag by Ranma
(and sometimes Akane) with a Qwardian power ring o.-
>
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>Ken Arromdee wrote:
>> When I made my own Ranma Fanfic Error List, this was one of them.
>>
>> The Musk Dynasty is a case of a child of the *cursed* form inheriting traits
>> of the *uncursed* form. For it to affect Ranma's or Taro's kids would be
>> completely backwards unless you're going to have Ranma get pregnant (and then
>> his daughters would be masculine, not the other way around).
>You forget the Pheonix Tribe. Their children inherited
>traits from Jyusenkyo and their parents did not start out as
>animals, the were humans exposed to Jyusenkyo water. An
>argument could be made for Shampoo giving birth to literal
>cat-girls, Mousse's children being semi-avian and Ryouga's
>kids having bovine features (Ranma's children would likely
>all be female). They would not actually get the -curse-
>however.
Yeah, but the Pheonix tribe changes took many years, if memory
serves. I doubt it would apply to children of a normally-cursed
person.
Along these lines, one might wonder about hypothetical children
of female Ranma -- when he transforms, do his genes change as
well? That is, is female Ranma genetically female? Is Shampoo-
kitty genetically a cat?
One might wonder these things. But then one would realize that
one is being silly, and would quit.
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>> Hehehe... for someone who hasn't read Ranma in a few years, I seem to be
>> joining into alot of Ranma arguments. ^^;;
>>
>> I must be weak willed. :)
>>
>
>Or at least don't have much of a life.
>My life is work, anime, and fan fiction so you can guess why get into
>these arguments.
Heh, I don't have time to answer this type of stuff except when I'm at work :P
I don't use an AOL account at home. ;)
>> >
>> >Ranma Fanfiction Cliches:
>> >
>> >1- Manga female Ranma has red hair.
>>
>> Heh, she does on some of the covers. Also she's had purple hair and green
>hair
>> that I can remember. :)
>
>However in the colored manga pages of the first four chapters of the
>series female Ranma's hair was black.
Yes, but later in the manga, other colors are shown as well as the ones listed
above.
>> >2- Ms. Tendo's name is Kimiko.
>>
>> I haven't seen this one myself, but I don't run the fanfiction circles
>much.
>> When did this one start coming up?
>
>It's an old one that gets brought up every once in a while.
>
>> >3- Ranma always wins.
>>
>> But he's the hero. :)
>
>The hero doesn't always win. The only guaranteed win is when it is
>vitally important that they do- not just for themselves but for others.
I know, but that's the excuse I hear most of the time. :P
>> >5- Mousse can defeat Shampoo to marry her.
>>
>> What if he became an outsider?
>
>Then he could. But I've lost count of the ficts that do not remove him
>from the tribe and yet still allow him to follow that rule which applies
>specifically to outsiders only.
>
>> >17- Cologne is evil.
>>
>> But of course. She plans on taking over the world by collecting the
>largest
>> number of freaks and weirdo's possible and having them overthrow ever major
>> government. Didn't you know that? :)
>
>Of course the majority of freaks and weirdoes are highly intelligent
>geeks and/or hackers who can take over the world by seizing control of
>lines of communications and develop lots of new technologies. Too bad
>most of us... er... them can't get a date to save their life.
>
>> >18- Ukyou has no flaws and is completely selfless.
>>
>> What less to expect from a Spatula carring woman who crossdresses and seeks
>> revenge for a past misgiving. They are all selfless and have no flaws. :)
>
>Of course....
>
>> >26- Curses are inheritable.
>>
>> Well, there was that one anime episode with Ryouga and Akane...
>
>That was part of Ranma's nightmare and the Jusenkyo curse being
>inheritable would be a nightmare to Ranma.
I know, just pointing out that it was in the anime at one point, thus some
people include it on blind faith. :P
>> >27- Akane is the only one to use mallets.
>>
>> How about the belief that only female characters can use mallets. What do
>Soun
>> and Ataru use then?
>
>Or Ranma, Ryoga, Genma, or....
Hey, only one example from a series please. ;)
>> >34- Akane is a lesbian.
>> >35- Nodoka has no intent on going through with the seppuku agreement.
>>
>> Of course not, he's such a manly man for turning a lesbian to "the right
>path"™
>> :)
>
>Why else would she forgive 'Ranko' so easily.
I just thought it was funny that you had those two back to back. :)
>> >36- Akane loves Ryoga enough to marry him.
>>
>> Again, there is the anime episode so not totally fanfic cliche.
>
>Again this was Ranma having a nightmare, and having pig-boy marry the
>girl he loves would be it. This also notes a divergence point in Ranma's
>characterization since part of him believes the dream was real.
Almost forgot about the tunnel of lost love in the manga and anime... For some
people, any show of affection = love.
>> >37- Ranma telling someone his troubles that he doesn't know or trust.
>>
>> Ranma talking about his feeling period :P
>
>He has told Akane his feelings, somewhat, and they had to pulled from
>him. He just didn't come out and say she 'cute' or that he 'didn't want
>her to see him so weak,' the chance of losing Akane caused him to say
>it.
>
>> >45- Shampoo helping anyone but Ranma for no reason.
>>
>> Cologne?
>
>Should be added since Cologne would hurt Shampoo if she didn't help
>around the Nekohanten.
I doubt that she would beat up Shampoo as much as repremand her... There you
are re-enforcing the evil Cologne cliche. ;)
>> >49- Mousse has everything, and I mean _everything_, hidden in his robes
>> >(Jimmy Hoffa's drivers' license, Happosai's panty collection, kitchen
>> >sink, Holy Grail, and everything else you can imagine)
>>
>> He doesn't? The heck you say! :)
>
>Where would he get all those interesting toys?
>
>> >52- Konatsu's clan name is Kenzan.
>>
>> Better than him being part of the Kasumi's or even worse, the Hiryu. :P
>
>Huh?
Names of Ninja clan's in various anime's and video games... Don't worry about
it. :)
Heh. :)
>> >63- Characters using Japanese phrases but speaking English most of the
>> >time.
>>
>> Boku have no idea what Kimi are talking about Archive-san.
>
>Honto?
>
Hai. Choto wakarimasen why people complain all of the time. Atashi don't even
notice. :P
(side note, I know people who talk like this in real life. I have to translate
for them and they're from america. ^^;;)
>> >66- Tsubasa or Konatsu are gay/semi-gay/going gay.
>>
>> That's why they both claim to hate guys, they are trying to stay in the
>closet.
>> :)
>
>Hai ;)
>
>> >69- Techniques make someone automatically better.
>>
>> That seems to be someone elses thinking as well...
>
>"Here's a stick kitty. Go fetch!" Kuno grinned evilly.
>"Meowr!" Ranma replied happily.
>
>
>> >72- Genma will do anything for food.
>>
>> ...and "Two" pickles! :)
>
>Either Genma stole the meal or his son, take your pick.
More like both. :)
>> >73- Happosai was handsome in his youth.
>>
>> Did you read the Happosai/Lukkosai manga story, that was the funniest
>looking
>> thing I've every seen. :)
>
>Imagination is such a lovely thing and those two had it in spades.
>Neither of them ever looked handsome.
But they had such great imaginations. :P
What's worse is that Mousse was trying not to cheat in that one. :P
>> >93- Kasumi is a serial murderer. "It's always the nice ones."
>>
>> I like that one...
>
>Well its true!
>
>
>> >100- Anime characterization is the same as manga characterization.
>>
>> But of course. :)
>
>Different writers, and for the anime- mostly hacks.
Really? I never noticed any difference between manga Akane and anime Akane. ;)
-Matt
General Anime Fan
David Johnston
> > >74- Cologne was ugly in her youth.
> >
> > People say that?
>
> I don't know why they would considering she looked like Shampoo back
> then. Kind of makes to shudder when you think of what Shampoo will look
> like it 50+ years.
>
At a guess...Shampoo will look like an old lady. But then, so will all
the other fiancees, except Kodachi. Kodachi will look like an early middle-aged
lady with really tight skin.
Kevin Lighton
>> >77- Mousse is dumb.
>>
>> In what sense? :)
> Ficts that have Mousse's most complex thoughts as:
> Drool. "Shampoo I love you!" Scowl. "Ranma die!" Clean table.
> And yet he learned how to speak Japanese in a _LOT_ less time than it
> took Shampoo.
While Mousse is definitely smarter than the example given, it isn't clear
whether he actually learned Japanese all that quickly. AFAIK, there's no
indication that he hadn't learned before the series started.
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> > >
> > >Well, where else does the money come from? Kasumi and Soun are almost
> > >always at home, and Akane's still in school... Suggestions, anyone?
> >
> > Family wealth, obviously. Look at the SIZE of that house.
>
> I tend to agree. For Japan, the Tendo house is very large. It's quite
> plausible that there are family investments which keep some money
> flowing in.
It's also possible that being a traditional home that has been passed
down through the family for generations as opposed to a modern
cookie-cutter apartment block occupied by salarimen and their families,
that the Tendo home is granted a special tax exempt status. (Can you
imagine paying property tax on a place like that in the greater Tokyo
metropolitan area?)
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Talen
wrote:
>Lord Archive <arc...@mich.com> wrote:
>
>>> >77- Mousse is dumb.
>>>
>>> In what sense? :)
>
>> Ficts that have Mousse's most complex thoughts as:
>> Drool. "Shampoo I love you!" Scowl. "Ranma die!" Clean table.
>
>> And yet he learned how to speak Japanese in a _LOT_ less time than it
>> took Shampoo.
>
>While Mousse is definitely smarter than the example given, it isn't clear
>whether he actually learned Japanese all that quickly. AFAIK, there's no
>indication that he hadn't learned before the series started.
No evidence he didn't, either - what reason would he have to learn it?
After all - he's a guy in a matriarchal tribe. Any knowledge he has of
foreign lands isn't going to get him *jack* - Shampoo is his focus at this
time and being able to speak forn language ain't gunna impress HER much, is
it?
brewst
Lord Archive wrote:
>
> Puma Twins wrote:
> >
> > Hehehe... for someone who hasn't read Ranma in a few years, I seem to be
> > joining into alot of Ranma arguments. ^^;;
> >
> > I must be weak willed. :)
> >
>
> Or at least don't have much of a life.
> My life is work, anime, and fan fiction so you can guess why get into
> these arguments.
>
> > >
> > >Ranma Fanfiction Cliches:
> > >
> > >1- Manga female Ranma has red hair.
> >
> > Heh, she does on some of the covers. Also she's had purple hair and green hair
> > that I can remember. :)
>
> However in the colored manga pages of the first four chapters of the
> series female Ranma's hair was black.
>
> > >2- Ms. Tendo's name is Kimiko.
> >
> > I haven't seen this one myself, but I don't run the fanfiction circles much.
> > When did this one start coming up?
>
> It's an old one that gets brought up every once in a while.
>
When people need a name for Ms. Tendo, they tend to use Kimiko because
it's been done so people recognize it.
> > >3- Ranma always wins.
> >
> > But he's the hero. :)
>
> The hero doesn't always win. The only guaranteed win is when it is
> vitally important that they do- not just for themselves but for others.
>
Good point. However, Ranma always wins every a.g whatever martial arts
contest.
> > >5- Mousse can defeat Shampoo to marry her.
> >
> > What if he became an outsider?
>
> Then he could. But I've lost count of the ficts that do not remove him
> from the tribe and yet still allow him to follow that rule which applies
> specifically to outsiders only.
>
Funny thing is, Cologne herself says that he can't defeat her and marry
her.
> > >17- Cologne is evil.
> >
> > But of course. She plans on taking over the world by collecting the largest
> > number of freaks and weirdo's possible and having them overthrow ever major
> > government. Didn't you know that? :)
>
> Of course the majority of freaks and weirdoes are highly intelligent
> geeks and/or hackers who can take over the world by seizing control of
> lines of communications and develop lots of new technologies. Too bad
> most of us... er... them can't get a date to save their life.
>
That's it! She'll use the Nyannichuan to create armies of beautiful
ex-rabbits to entice us!
If he actually carried a potty as a weapon, I'd be scared.
> > >52- Konatsu's clan name is Kenzan.
> >
> > Better than him being part of the Kasumi's or even worse, the Hiryu. :P
>
> Huh?
>
> > >53- Soun is a human waterfall.
> >
> > Except when he wearing samurai armour?
> > I think that was more anime Soun as well.
>
> Soun wore his armor a few time in the manga, when he was REALLY pissed.
> Of course he does that 'he's not Nabiki's father,' since she won't admit
> it.
>
However, Soun is a human waterfall when he isn't angry. It's a big part
of his character. Hard to write him without it.
> > >56- Kasumi says nothing but "Oh, my."
> >
> > Or "ara" as the case may be. At least it's not as bad as Kenshin with "Oro" or
> > Chichiri with "no da"
>
> At least they're usually funny when they do it.
>
> > >58- Ryoga is in love with Ukyou and vice versa.
> >
> > Hey, if you go by the Tunnel of Lost Love story, then they are suppose to hate
> > each other now. :P
>
> Not that would be an interesting fict where Ryoga and Ukyou loath each
> other do to the tunnel.
>
I don't think they loathe eachother. They're just not in love.
> > >60- Cologne knows just about everything.
> >
> > And what she doesn't know, Tofu or Nabiki knows. :)
>
> "The seven cities of gold? I know where only four are." Cologne points
> out the spots.
>
> Tofu nods. "I knew of one of those, but I also know where two others
> are. Here and here."
>
> Nabiki points at the map. "There's number seven. I get to keep
> everything other than the XXXX magical item you guys need to save
> Akane."
>
> > >63- Characters using Japanese phrases but speaking English most of the
> > >time.
> >
> > Boku have no idea what Kimi are talking about Archive-san.
>
> Honto?
>
>
> > >66- Tsubasa or Konatsu are gay/semi-gay/going gay.
> >
> > That's why they both claim to hate guys, they are trying to stay in the closet.
> > :)
>
> Hai ;)
>
> > >69- Techniques make someone automatically better.
> >
> > That seems to be someone elses thinking as well...
>
> "Here's a stick kitty. Go fetch!" Kuno grinned evilly.
> "Meowr!" Ranma replied happily.
>
Then again, if Ranma ever managed to beat the stick response,
he'd kick ass.
>
> > >72- Genma will do anything for food.
> >
> > ...and "Two" pickles! :)
>
> Either Genma stole the meal or his son, take your pick.
>
> > >73- Happosai was handsome in his youth.
> >
> > Did you read the Happosai/Lukkosai manga story, that was the funniest looking
> > thing I've every seen. :)
>
> Imagination is such a lovely thing and those two had it in spades.
> Neither of them ever looked handsome.
>
> > >74- Cologne was ugly in her youth.
> >
> > People say that?
>
> I don't know why they would considering she looked like Shampoo back
> then. Kind of makes to shudder when you think of what Shampoo will look
> like it 50+ years.
Cologne is 150 years old. Shampoo has a long ways to go.
>
> > >77- Mousse is dumb.
> >
> > In what sense? :)
>
> Ficts that have Mousse's most complex thoughts as:
> Drool. "Shampoo I love you!" Scowl. "Ranma die!" Clean table.
>
Unfortunately, he does sort of act like this.
Not in speech, but in basic drive.
> And yet he learned how to speak Japanese in a _LOT_ less time than it
> took Shampoo. Hell, quicker than I learned French. Oh wait, I didn't
> exactly learn it as drudged through two years of it.
>
Well, he arrived speaking it perfectly, so I assume he already spoke it.
brewst
1. Mousse arrives (probably for the first time) in Japan speaking
perfect Japanese.
2. Unless he learnt it on route in a country where it is not spoken, he
must have learnt it in the village.
How could this be? Well, we don't know, but here are some possibilities:
1. Either of his parents was Japanese and taught him.
2. He learned it as a foreign language.
3. He learned it on his own.
Talen wrote:
>
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:54:51 GMT, Kevin Lighton <lig...@monet.bestweb.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Lord Archive <arc...@mich.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> >77- Mousse is dumb.
> >>>
> >>> In what sense? :)
> >
> >> Ficts that have Mousse's most complex thoughts as:
> >> Drool. "Shampoo I love you!" Scowl. "Ranma die!" Clean table.
> >
> >> And yet he learned how to speak Japanese in a _LOT_ less time than it
> >> took Shampoo.
> >
Shadow6865
down through the family for generations as opposed to a modern
cookie-cutter apartment block occupied by salarimen and their families,
that the Tendo home is granted a special tax exempt status. (Can you
imagine paying property tax on a place like that in the greater Tokyo
metropolitan area?) >>
I admitedly know very little about Japanese tax laws but I honestly see no
reason for the Tendous to be tax exempt. Unless he did some "favors" for the
government many years ago. "Name wa Tendou, Soun Tendou."
Rob Kelk
So, _that's_ where superspy-Kasumi got her training! ^_^
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Puma Twins
><< It's also possible that being a traditional home that has been passed
>down through the family for generations as opposed to a modern
>cookie-cutter apartment block occupied by salarimen and their families,
>that the Tendo home is granted a special tax exempt status. (Can you
>imagine paying property tax on a place like that in the greater Tokyo
>metropolitan area?) >>
>
>
> I admitedly know very little about Japanese tax laws but I honestly see no
>reason for the Tendous to be tax exempt. Unless he did some "favors" for the
>government many years ago. "Name wa Tendou, Soun Tendou."
NIT PICK ALERT NIT PICK ALERT!!!!
Namae not name.
Sorry, but one of the cliches was using random Japanese so we should
avoid random english as well, ne? ;) [Hehe]
--
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>
> > I admitedly know very little about Japanese tax laws but I honestly see no
> >reason for the Tendous to be tax exempt. Unless he did some "favors" for the
> >government many years ago. "Name wa Tendou, Soun Tendou."
>
> NIT PICK ALERT NIT PICK ALERT!!!!
>
> Namae not name.
>
> Sorry, but one of the cliches was using random Japanese so we should
> avoid random english as well, ne? ;) [Hehe]
EVEN WORSE NIT PICK!
Family-Names first: "Tendo Soun"
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Blade
>Blade wrote:
>> In article <388BF248...@mich.com>, Lord says...
>> >6- Genma engaging Ranma for food on a regular basis.
>> Mmm...not a regular basis, no, but he has done it more than once in both
>> continuities, so it is not necessarily wrong to have him do it again.
>Maybe I should stress the regular part. Genma engaging Ranma a couple
>more times isn't a stretch- a hundred and forty two times in an
>otherwise serious fict most definitely is.
That I'll buy, yes.
>> >8- Shampoo or Cologne regularly lace Ranma's food with various potions.
>> Well, Shampoo DOES when she has a chance. The "chance" part is the clincher,
>> tho. Shampoo does not -normally- have access to such things.
>
>May want to reword this to indicate that Shampoo would if she could.
So would Holli. ;p
>> >9- Akane's cooking can: create life, be considered a biohazard, be used
>> >as an industrial cleaner, etc....
>> >10- Shampoo is an airhead.
>> Umm...characterisation issue. How do you define "airhead"?
>Having the intelligence of a hot air balloon. I'll try to clarify that
>Shampoo can think for herself and isn't Colognes little puppet.
Well, that's true enough. Cologne isn't nearly as nasty.
>> >16- A Jusenkyo curse victim hit with waters of Jusenkyo cursed pool of
>> >drowned twins will (permanently) separate into original and cursed
>> >forms.
>> While this is exceedingly unlikely, there's no actual canon proof against it.
>While not ruled out possible in the original series, at least half the
>Ranma splits into boy and girl stories use the twin waters as the
>excuse. And there are quite a few of those ficts.
This is the thing, tho...is this really a CLICHE list, or is it an error
list? You have things that are cliches but not necessarily errors...but
you also have errors that certainly aren't cliches.
>> >18- Ukyou has no flaws and is completely selfless.
>> And, complimentary, "Ukyou is Shampoo with better grammar."
>Hmmm... maybe a little different in wording.
>Ukyou acts like Shampoo, just with better grammar.
Well, what have you. I'm not sure why people have so much trouble
getting a happy medium for Ukyou. ;p
>> >22- Nabiki handles the finances of the Tendo home.
>> >23- Gosunkugi regularly attempts to practice magic.
>> >24- Kasumi is able to manipulate people to do what she wants.
>> >25- Kasumi loves Dr. Tofu.
>> Some people may debate that one.
>The memorial book shows the love lines between characters and
>Dr. Tofu's line to Kasumi wasn't returned.
To be blunt, the memorial book is bullshit, and the majority of it
was almost certainly not written by Takahashi.
According to that love chart, Kunou has no feelings for Akane and
Tsubasa only loves Ukyou, neither of which are true. It also ignores
many other relationships.
>> >28- Shampoo secretly loves Mousse.
>> >29- Nabiki declaring instantaneous love for Kuno, and mean it.
>> >30- Mousse can defeat anyone immediately after he gets perfect vision.
>>
>>(since I started this, I'd better defend it, ne?) One could make a good argument
>> that Mousse would be considerably more dangerous with perfect vision. Not
>> "defeat anyone", no, but having him be a close match for Ranma is not a large
>> stretch.
>
>Yes, he'd improve with the better vision after training to work with it.
>Immediately after getting the improved vision, it would be detrimental
>to him as he isn't used to having all the extra information.
Well, he wouldn't be instanlty a pro, no. But he IS a Ranma MADM. It
wouldn't take him long at all to adjust. Consider how quickly he
adjusted to his duck form, the the extent of being able to fly while
in it (a much more demanding feat).
>> >33- Ranma vulgarly or constantly insulting Akane's cooking.
>> "Vulgarly"? And he DOES insult it whenever she is cooking.
>Vulgarly as in: Toxic waste, poison, cement mix, death in a bowl....
He has called it poison, at least in the anime.
>He doesn't every time. In volume 25, before Akane left for Ryugenzawa he
>doesn't insult her cooking once, gives lame excuses not to eat, but he
>doesn't insult it.
OTOH, he did in Volume 36.
Which reminds me: people say Akane's cooking improved after Volume 25.
That's not true. It didn't get any better; she simply fluked out once.
>> >37- Ranma telling someone his troubles that he doesn't know or trust.
>> Which would be "anybody except Akane".
>Pretty much and when he does open up it took a lot for it to happen and
>he doesn't say much even then.
Their closest moment is probably in the Battle Dougi story, actually.
>> >43- Post- Shi shi hokodan Ryoga attacking Ranma at first sight for
>> >little or no reason.
>> Ryouga EVER attacking Ranma for no reason, without a formal challenge.
>Let's not open a can of worms with this. Besides, the anime was worse
>when it came to Ryoga attacking Ranma.
True. But the anime is VERY different; if you want to include it at par,
you probably should have two different lists.
>> >58- Ryoga is in love with Ukyou and vice versa.
>> Much as I hate to admit it, this is true in the anime.
>Granted I haven't watched much of the recent anime, but when did this
>happen?
Okay, let me rephrase: it's HINTED very strongly that that's the way they're
heaidng in the anime, the most well-known example being movie #2.
>> >60- Cologne knows just about everything.
>>
>> However, she IS the most likely person for Ranma&Co. to go to if they have
>> questions about lore and stuff.
>
>Yes, but Cologne telling Ranma and crew about an obscure European legend
>would be hard to sallow without some explanation as to how she would
>know that.
Fair enough.
>> >62- Kodachi is pathologically insane.
>>
>>Mmm...it depends on how one defines "pathologically", but somebody who refers to
>>other people as "ants" and then cheerfully paralyses them for for no particular
>> reason has definite problems.
>
>Serious need of being committed for public safety. I won't argue that
>she doesn't need help, because she does. So does the rest of the Ranma
>cast.
So if that isn't insane-by Ranma standards, since nobody considers her
behaviour normal-what is?
>> >63- Characters using Japanese phrases but speaking English most of the
>> >time.
>>
>>Some people don't like this, but it's a common practice in professional novels
>> that have Japanese people. It's not literarily "wrong".
>
>The extent of use can be a problem though. When you need to put a
>dictionary at the end of a fict to detail what twenty plus Japanese
>words meant, they really shouldn't be there.
Oh, of course they SHOULD be clear or explained quickly in context, but
that's a function of good vs. bad writing.
>> >66- Tsubasa or Konatsu are gay/semi-gay/going gay.
>> You COULD make an argument for Konatsu. Not Tsubasa, though.
>Several bad ficts pairing Konatsu and Tsubasa tend to leave a bad taste
>in your mouth.
...
No comment. ;p
>> >76- Ranma or Ryoga using higher level martial arts techniques (Shi Shi
>> >Hokodan, Hiryu Shuten Ha) often and in every fight either of them get
>> >into.
>>
>>While this is wrong, I can see the point. In a visual medium, "normal" fights
>>can always look spectacular. In a text medium, however, "normal" fights quickly
>>get very dry, and dialogue such as shouting out special moves livens up the pace
>> and allows for more interesting descriptions.
>
>"Normal" fights are not the speculator multi-chapter affairs. Normal
Spectacular, I think you mean? ;p
>fights are someone getting upset, attempting to pound the offender, and
>something or someone stops it. Ryoga using Shi Shi Hokodan to show his
>displeasure at being goaded into a fight by Ranma using his usual
>insults is a bit much and quite unnecessary.
Ah, okay. You might clarify that, then.
>> >94- Happosai is not evil.
>> Happousai isn't a good guy, but he HAS shown some moments of caring in the
>> manga.
>Usually towards children. Will have to modify this as to not be black
>and white- just a shade of dark gray.
Pretty much.
>> >101- Ranma and Akane regularly visit Dr. Tofu to solve any of their
>> >problems, particularly occult ones (especially manga based).
>> Not regularly, but they were shown to go to him on occasion. Cologne pretty
>> much took over that role, tho.
>After Hiryu Shuten Ha, Dr. Tofu disappears completely in the manga.
Yes, but that doesn't mean he wasn't THERE. We just never SAW him again.
The manga does not chronicle every moment of the character's lives...in
fact, it has huge gaps between and even during some stories.
Tofu didn't appear again because he was never again important to an
"on-screen" story, but there's no reason to believe he was not there or
that the characters suddenly stopped seeing him.
>> >Note in concerns to certain cliches:
>> >#25 Kasumi loves Dr. Tofu: While Kasumi does show interest in Dr. Tofu,
>> >according to Takahashi-sensei, she doesn't love him.
>>
>> Did Takahashi specifically say this?
>
>As stated above, it was part of the Memorial Book.
As stated above, that really means nothing.
Blade
Blade
>
>In article <388D24D4...@mich.com>,
>Lord Archive <arc...@mich.com> wrote:
>>> >26- Curses are inheritable.
>>>Not curses, but TRAITS are definitely inherited. Which makes one wonder what
>>> Ranma's kids will be like...or Taro's, for that matter. ;p
>>Yes, Ranma's boys would likely look quite bishonen.
>
>When I made my own Ranma Fanfic Error List, this was one of them.
>
>The Musk Dynasty is a case of a child of the *cursed* form inheriting traits
>of the *uncursed* form. For it to affect Ranma's or Taro's kids would be
>completely backwards unless you're going to have Ranma get pregnant (and then
>his daughters would be masculine, not the other way around).
Incorrect. The Musk CONTINUE to inherit the traits even though they stopped
marrying animals generations ago. That shows it doesn't have to be a
cursed person; the people CHANGE, period.
While the kids of Ranma, Tarou, Ryouga, etc. MIGHT not change, there is
nothing to suggest they -won't-, and circumstantial evidence suggests that
the curses may effect them such that it -does-.
Therefore, it is not an error...not a fact, either, but certainly not an
error.
Blade
A. Peori
>
> Yeah, but there is a logic for Mousse already having learnt Japanese.
> 1. Mousse arrives (probably for the first time) in Japan speaking
> perfect Japanese.
> 2. Unless he learnt it on route in a country where it is not spoken, he
> must have learnt it in the village.
> How could this be? Well, we don't know, but here are some possibilities:
> 1. Either of his parents was Japanese and taught him.
> 2. He learned it as a foreign language.
> 3. He learned it on his own.
Mousse's parents (or a parent) being Japanese might be an
interesting topic for a fanfic now that you mention it. It
could also explain a few things that don't mesh with many
people's image of the amazons (ie, all males are
subservient, which really there is no evidence for). Heck,
there is little evidence that the tribe -IS- matriachal.
Chinese amazons is a -massive- translation faux paus after
all.
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Epsilon
Tobias Herbst
> brewst wrote:
> Heck, there is little evidence that the tribe -IS- matriachal.
> Chinese amazons is a -massive- translation faux paus after all.
So, what would be a proper tranlation?
Shadow6865
Family-Names first: "Tendo Soun"
^___^ >>
I know but I was doing the James Bong thing so I was correct besides "Tendou,
Tendou Soun" sounds stupid
Anand Chelian
Tobias Herbst <Tobias...@tu-bs.de> wrote:
>"A. Peori" wrote:
>> Heck, there is little evidence that the tribe -IS- matriachal.
>> Chinese amazons is a -massive- translation faux paus after all.
>So, what would be a proper tranlation?
"village of strong females"? IIRC.
The sum total of description given the village in the manga is that the
women in the town are "very strong" (i.e. good warriors). Not a word
about matriarchy. For example, Cologne is not referred to as any sort
of powerful figure back in the village when looking at the manga.
>Tobias
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In article <86nl81$rua$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, TheLastOrbot
<ray_s...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>Akane is kind of an uncivilized savage since she gets angry easy. I
You didn't actually expect to get away with that comment scot-free, did you?
^_^
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. Akane is one of the most
consistently nice and helpful characters in the series, even to the point of
being nice to tarou, the guy who _kidnapped_ her. Her temper isn't quite as
hair-trigger as the anime or a lot of fanfiction portrays it as, and with
Ranma, there are some sensitive issues that make her lash out once in a
while. Tempermental? I won't deny that. "Uncicilized savage"? Certainly
not.
>don't like it how she picks on Ranma for every little thing. But it
>may sound like a contradiction when I say this, but I just can't view
>Ranma with any other of his suitors or any other female character in
Me neither. :)
>the series (not counting the Elseworlds series). I firmly believe that
>Ranma and Akane are the only clear couple in the series. Second would
>probably be Ryoga and Akari. And perhaps Kuno and Nabiki. But I can't
>see pairings up with the other characters.
Arnold Kim
fervent supporter of the One True Couple...
Tobias Herbst
Hey, I know. That's why I wrote NIT PICK.
And besides: It dosn't sound stupid, that's just a cultural thing.
EarthDwarf
>like it 50+ years.
She'll look old. For that matter, what will we look like in 50+ years?
-Knorin
David Johnston
>
> brewst wrote:
> >
> > 1. Mousse arrives (probably for the first time) in Japan speaking
> > perfect Japanese.
> > 2. Unless he learnt it on route in a country where it is not spoken, he
> > must have learnt it in the village.
> > How could this be? Well, we don't know, but here are some possibilities:
> > 1. Either of his parents was Japanese and taught him.
> > 2. He learned it as a foreign language.
> > 3. He learned it on his own.
>
> Mousse's parents (or a parent) being Japanese might be an
> interesting topic for a fanfic now that you mention it. It
> could also explain a few things that don't mesh with many
> people's image of the amazons (ie, all males are
> subservient, which really there is no evidence for).
Except for the way that Mousse lets himself be kicked around, and
Shampoo's somewhat less than assertive father, and the that there
were no men in the audience at the tournament.
Heck,
> there is little evidence that the tribe -IS- matriachal.
> Chinese amazons is a -massive- translation faux paus after
> all.
Is it really? What's the real translation?
Here's another one.
Given that Mousse has been defeated by Ranma, the book says that (if he
is a member of the tribe the same as Shampoo) that if Ranma is a girl he
must hunt down and kill her, and if he is a boy, he must hunt him down
and marry him.
There's a fun fanfiction topic for you.
brewst
David Johnston wrote:
>
> A. Peori wrote:
> >
> > brewst wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah, but there is a logic for Mousse already having learnt Japanese.
> > > 1. Mousse arrives (probably for the first time) in Japan speaking
> > > perfect Japanese.
> > > 2. Unless he learnt it on route in a country where it is not spoken, he
> > > must have learnt it in the village.
> > > How could this be? Well, we don't know, but here are some possibilities:
> > > 1. Either of his parents was Japanese and taught him.
> > > 2. He learned it as a foreign language.
> > > 3. He learned it on his own.
> >
> > Mousse's parents (or a parent) being Japanese might be an
> > interesting topic for a fanfic now that you mention it. It
> > could also explain a few things that don't mesh with many
> > people's image of the amazons (ie, all males are
> > subservient, which really there is no evidence for).
>
> Except for the way that Mousse lets himself be kicked around, and
> Shampoo's somewhat less than assertive father, and the that there
> were no men in the audience at the tournament.
1. Mousse lets himself get kicked around because Cologne is much better
than him and he can do shit about it and he's too infatuated with
Shampoo to do anything (skill level argument aside). 2. We only see
Shampoo's father in 2 panels, so we can't really judge him. 3. The
audience shot was a small one of ONLY the front row of spectators, with
not very detailed drawing of the Amazons. We really can't say.
>
> Heck,
> > there is little evidence that the tribe -IS- matriachal.
> > Chinese amazons is a -massive- translation faux paus after
> > all.
>
> Is it really? What's the real translation?
>
> Here's another one.
>
> Given that Mousse has been defeated by Ranma, the book says that (if he
> is a member of the tribe the same as Shampoo) that if Ranma is a girl he
> must hunt down and kill her, and if he is a boy, he must hunt him down
> and marry him.
>
Ohboy. Allow me to set this idea to rest: that Amazon law does not apply
to men.